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Post by Doyley on Mar 11, 2019 18:34:14 GMT -5
Click here to enter your course/dataCan keep track of progress made if you want and once published you can go back and give the full published name. Otherwise, main thing is just claiming what you're working on. Sheet should refresh on this post every 5 minutes or so (after a page reload). [gsheet width="1125" height="500" style="background-color:#102B4D"]1ZUI-WazQDaPjdzMXtAp008UtLVOHDF5hkNkoNYNrLtY[/gsheet]
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 11, 2019 19:38:55 GMT -5
Should we add a tab for courses that have OSM added and/or Lidar found, but aren't currently being worked on. Or in other words, can be claimed? I'm sitting on a couple courses right now, and adding more.
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Post by chadgolf on Mar 11, 2019 19:47:21 GMT -5
Should we add a tab for courses that have OSM added and/or Lidar found, but aren't currently being worked on. Or in other words, can be claimed? I'm sitting on a couple courses right now, and adding more. Yes, should definitely announce when courses were "prototyped" but are available for final planting. Sometimes if we see recent edits on OSM, we'll assume that person is actively working on the course. |
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Post by lessangster on Mar 12, 2019 5:35:25 GMT -5
I hope you guys can see where using the Lidar tool can really lift this game above all the others, and thanks chadgolf for creating it. We’ve seen all the top courses numerous times on various golf games from Links to TW and beyond but we haven’t seen your local course unless it happens to be Augusta or Sawgrass, there are some great local courses out there I would like to experience and I’m sure others would to. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:17:36 GMT -5
I suppose it may be an unpopular opinion or I'm just missing something obvious, but why are we going about doing LiDAR and OSM for courses we don't intend to finish? It seems like a nice gesture to do that for a bunch of courses and then hand them off, but I think I speak for many people I've talked to about this who think that collecting the LiDAR and tracing the OSM is a lot of the "fun" of doing these projects, so in just a few short weeks we may be taking that joy from people by having a ton of these just sitting out there completed up to that step but then not being finished.
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Post by Doyley on Mar 12, 2019 22:53:32 GMT -5
I suppose it may be an unpopular opinion or I'm just missing something obvious, but why are we going about doing LiDAR and OSM for courses we don't intend to finish? It seems like a nice gesture to do that for a bunch of courses and then hand them off, but I think I speak for many people I've talked to about this who think that collecting the LiDAR and tracing the OSM is a lot of the "fun" of doing these projects, so in just a few short weeks we may be taking that joy from people by having a ton of these just sitting out there completed up to that step but then not being finished. I think most people will appreciate a good OSM that saves them 5-8 hours of work. There are so many courses out there that I doubt it'll become a big issue - have to remember that there are many in the same position as me - lots of free time either at work or travelling etc - and this is an easy way to help out the community. I know I'm only doing ones that are either directly requested or on someone's to-do list. In the end, getting a quality course out is still a rewarding process even if you don't get to do the OSM process. |
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Post by rod81simo on Mar 13, 2019 3:45:09 GMT -5
I’ll definitely pick up one of the OSM/Lidar files once I’ve setup the new rig, not sure when that will be though as I need to finish a course that’s not far away on PS4 that I’ve been busy with, it’s a local RCR that I’m looking forward to getting out there
The Glades Golf Club located in Robina Q Australia, for anyone that wants to take a look at some images of the real deal as I can’t figure out how to post images...... sigh!
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Mar 13, 2019 15:49:27 GMT -5
I suppose it may be an unpopular opinion or I'm just missing something obvious, but why are we going about doing LiDAR and OSM for courses we don't intend to finish? It seems like a nice gesture to do that for a bunch of courses and then hand them off, but I think I speak for many people I've talked to about this who think that collecting the LiDAR and tracing the OSM is a lot of the "fun" of doing these projects, so in just a few short weeks we may be taking that joy from people by having a ton of these just sitting out there completed up to that step but then not being finished. I think most people will appreciate a good OSM that saves them 5-8 hours of work. There are so many courses out there that I doubt it'll become a big issue - have to remember that there are many in the same position as me - lots of free time either at work or travelling etc - and this is an easy way to help out the community. I know I'm only doing ones that are either directly requested or on someone's to-do list. In the end, getting a quality course out is still a rewarding process even if you don't get to do the OSM process. I'd rather have someone pick up the 10-20-30+ hours of cleanup work required after importing the OSM work.
I get what Eric is saying here. As a designer - guess I should just speak for myself - I wouldn't want to grab a file someone else has imported and mapped, then get tasked with the cleanup work and environment building part alone. If there's a course I'd like to do, sure it's nice to just have the course at the end of it all, but the rewarding part of building it would be kind of taken out of my hands. All the extra stuff we do - making a course "look" nice with tedious texture work, planting, traversing the ridiculous HB spline system to try and make things look smooth, etc. - is not something that's really enjoyable, it just gets done because you're so invested in the course that you want it done well. For me at least, merely taking someone else's OSM work and then being tasked with all of the cleanup is not something that I'd look forward to doing unless it were a pre-stated collaboration with someone else, in which we had a common goal for it. Otherwise, it would just feel like I'm being made to do the tedious dirty work of the build.
Again, all of this just my opinion, and I'm sure others will disagree - but I also doubt I'm the only one who would see it similarly.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 13, 2019 16:13:41 GMT -5
I suppose it may be an unpopular opinion or I'm just missing something obvious, but why are we going about doing LiDAR and OSM for courses we don't intend to finish? It seems like a nice gesture to do that for a bunch of courses and then hand them off, but I think I speak for many people I've talked to about this who think that collecting the LiDAR and tracing the OSM is a lot of the "fun" of doing these projects, so in just a few short weeks we may be taking that joy from people by having a ton of these just sitting out there completed up to that step but then not being finished. If I and the game both live long enough, I fully intend on completing every course on my list. I just happen to have the free time at work right now to work on OSM, and have offered my completed courses to others in case someone is interested in finishing a course before I get to it. I would also stress that I think there are more than enough courses in the world to keep everyone awash in OSM and lidar bliss for quite awhile. A worst-case result of ending up with a bunch of unplanted and unrefined RCR's waiting for people to finish them to me is just a different, albeit slightly better, issue than our previous issue of having a long list of RCR's that we wished someone would make, with not enough people or time to make them. |
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Mar 13, 2019 16:39:41 GMT -5
I suppose it may be an unpopular opinion or I'm just missing something obvious, but why are we going about doing LiDAR and OSM for courses we don't intend to finish? It seems like a nice gesture to do that for a bunch of courses and then hand them off, but I think I speak for many people I've talked to about this who think that collecting the LiDAR and tracing the OSM is a lot of the "fun" of doing these projects, so in just a few short weeks we may be taking that joy from people by having a ton of these just sitting out there completed up to that step but then not being finished. If I and the game both live long enough, I fully intend on completing every course on my list. I just happen to have the free time at work right now to work on OSM, and have offered my completed courses to others in case someone is interested in finishing a course before I get to it. I would also stress that I think there are more than enough courses in the world to keep everyone awash in OSM and lidar bliss for quite awhile. A worst-case result of ending up with a bunch of unplanted and unrefined RCR's waiting for people to finish them to me is just a different, albeit slightly better, issue than our previous issue of having a long list of RCR's that we wished someone would make, with not enough people or time to make them. I guess what at least I would say to this, respectfully, is that if you were to have already mapped a course out in OSM that I'd wanted to do, but it was just 1 of 5+ courses that you've mapped without making efforts to add onto that mapping in-game and actually start building the course, it would probably irk me a bit. We all have more free time at work on a computer than at home in TGC (or I'd guess "most" is a better descriptor), so of course that's something that we could all do much more easily. I fully understand your point, and see it's merits, so I'm only speaking of personal opinion here. I guess I just find the most reward in designing from the actual on-course designing, which if a course is already mapped in OSM with good lidar data, is really taken away from someone who works on a file that another person has already mapped out. Hopefully that makes sense.
It's also a reason why I think there's a good chance that some of the best courses we get out of this whole new thing will be local one's that no one other than the person building it know, because that one person will be able to take the project from point A to Z themselves, provided the majority of "well known" courses are already mapped/claimed/etc.
Listen...this was always going to be an issue of discussion, I think we all knew that. My hope is that we all have enough common courtesy for each other to try and work together, and I don't see any reason why that's not the most likely outcome.
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 13, 2019 18:03:12 GMT -5
I request that someone with a pc does bethpage black! I loved it when they had the US open there, despite the uninspiring final round contenders! A demanding yet fair course! It was fun on TW too...
I know a lot of people are enthused by this tool for doing local courses, but anyone got an interest in this ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 18:38:52 GMT -5
Agree to disagree I guess. I had interest in Philly Cricket Club but I don’t now. So now I’ll have to come back every month to see what courses I’m thinking of are already gone. Maybe I’ll just let you RCR guys do your thing and I’ll step back.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 13, 2019 20:13:48 GMT -5
I've put my entire list in the OSM Request Thread. Some others have already reached out to me to say they had interest in doing a course, at which point I updated the list. I'm not hiding anything or taking anything away from anyone. If you see a course on my list that you think you want to do, I'm a simple post or message away.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 13, 2019 20:22:24 GMT -5
I would also mention that there are people doing lidar versions of courses that I spent 6+ months on each creating before there was lidar available. That's not a great feeling, but the fact of the matter is that everyone is free to enjoy this tool any way that they like. We can do our best to try and communicate and not overlap, but at the end of the day people are going to do what they are going to do.
Again, please feel free to reach out to me, and I will continue to publicly list anything that I plan on working on OSM for, and I will always be willing to change my plans if anyone feels strongly enough. Otherwise I don't see the merit in trying to make anyone feel guilty for working on OSM in their free time.
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Post by chadgolf on Mar 13, 2019 20:46:07 GMT -5
This is a little off topic, but I really want to encourage you guys to NOT put lidar in the course name, but instead put your username so it survives the transfer across consoles/servers/to simulator.
I know that if I search for any of your names, I'm going to have a good course. I'm almost NEVER interested in searching for Autogenned courses and I know lidar courses are going to have a minimum level of quality, but when I want a fantastic course, I want to search for you.
I know that clv makes my favorite courses, "Protee" might be simulator length, mthunt courses are extremely simulator playable, Terry's courses are Commodes, Eric's courses are usually fun, etc.
There's going to be tons of minimal effort courses just because of how much skill good course design requires. I don't think having multiple versions of a course will be bad, they'll all bring something unique. And if someone puts in the minimal effort and it's an important course, I know one of you is going to get ticked off, take their end point (lidar + OSM), and then blow their course out of the water.
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