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Post by b101 on Mar 3, 2020 11:04:31 GMT -5
TGC needs more of these sorts of tee shots... Looks like #5 at Ol’ Rocky Top Tee box doesn't look flat, so I see the similarity
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Post by gamesdecent on Mar 3, 2020 11:22:34 GMT -5
Looks like #5 at Ol’ Rocky Top Tee box doesn't look flat, so I see the similarity Big up's for playtesting my stuff.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 3, 2020 14:13:27 GMT -5
TGC needs more of these sorts of tee shots... Looks like #5 at Ol’ Rocky Top Its been a while. Due another round there.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 4, 2020 11:55:45 GMT -5
Piping Rock is a well respected Macdonald course and one of his first ever projects that still exists mostly in its original form. Recently came across some nice footage with commentary about the course. Enjoy.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 5, 2020 20:02:27 GMT -5
Certain vibes from a certain course...
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Post by Energ1ser on Mar 6, 2020 17:29:17 GMT -5
I was going to vote for maiden but it's no where to be seen.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 6, 2020 17:34:45 GMT -5
I was going to vote for maiden but it's no where to be seen. Yeah, that was a fatal error on my behalf. Apologies.
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Post by b101 on Mar 7, 2020 3:13:21 GMT -5
I was going to vote for maiden but it's no where to be seen. I'm so proud of you, Jason
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Post by b101 on Mar 8, 2020 15:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 11, 2020 10:38:55 GMT -5
Starting to think more about template holes in my designs. I think that's the next logical step I need to consider instead of just continuing to "think stuff up" with no plan. I've looked at the Fried Egg site. My question is, does a hole need to fit perfectly into a description to be called a template hole?
Example: Redan looks like it's usually described as a medium to long par 3. But can you do the Redan green complex on a par 4 or 5 and still call it a Redan? It also says the green sits at a 45 degree angle and slopes front to back. Do these elements all need to be true in order for it to be a Redan?
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Post by b101 on Mar 11, 2020 10:47:10 GMT -5
Starting to think more about template holes in my designs. I think that's the next logical step I need to consider instead of just continuing to "think stuff up" with no plan. I've looked at the Fried Egg site. My question is, does a hole need to fit perfectly into a description to be called a template hole? Example: Redan looks like it's usually described as a medium to long par 3. But can you do the Redan green complex on a par 4 or 5 and still call it a Redan? It also says the green sits at a 45 degree angle and slopes front to back. Do these elements all need to be true in order for it to be a Redan? Great question and one that Joe and I have chatted a lot about. The short answer is 'no', it doesn't need to be a particular par. There are some that tend to be certain pars (mostly the threes: Short, Eden, Biarritz, for example) and some that chop and change. You do see par four redans in real life golf though. I love playing with the concepts and the associated pars and had a lot of fun with this on Kaiuma - the 18th is a par four Eden and the 4th is a driveable par four Redan (and probably the best hole I think I've ever designed). For me, the Redan kicker works beautifully with long approaches and so a long four or par five is a great call for it. Consider making the area behind the kicker absolute death if you make it a par five and you've got the bones of a quality hole. And yes, welcome to the template gang. Believe it or not, it's the best way to ensure variety, because all of the ideas kind of force you to come up with different hole designs.
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 11, 2020 11:10:37 GMT -5
Starting to think more about template holes in my designs. I think that's the next logical step I need to consider instead of just continuing to "think stuff up" with no plan. I've looked at the Fried Egg site. My question is, does a hole need to fit perfectly into a description to be called a template hole? Example: Redan looks like it's usually described as a medium to long par 3. But can you do the Redan green complex on a par 4 or 5 and still call it a Redan? It also says the green sits at a 45 degree angle and slopes front to back. Do these elements all need to be true in order for it to be a Redan? Great question and one that Joe and I have chatted a lot about. The short answer is 'no', it doesn't need to be a particular par. There are some that tend to be certain pars (mostly the threes: Short, Eden, Biarritz, for example) and some that chop and change. You do see par four redans in real life golf though. I love playing with the concepts and the associated pars and had a lot of fun with this on Kaiuma - the 18th is a par four Eden and the 4th is a driveable par four Redan (and probably the best hole I think I've ever designed). For me, the Redan kicker works beautifully with long approaches and so a long four or par five is a great call for it. Consider making the area behind the kicker absolute death if you make it a par five and you've got the bones of a quality hole. And yes, welcome to the template gang. Believe it or not, it's the best way to ensure variety, because all of the ideas kind of force you to come up with different hole designs. Awesome thanks Ben. Really just trying to get the concept and strategies around the different templates to make sure I have interesting designs throughout but don't want to feel like I'm putting my designs in too much of a box
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 11, 2020 11:47:45 GMT -5
Starting to think more about template holes in my designs. I think that's the next logical step I need to consider instead of just continuing to "think stuff up" with no plan. I've looked at the Fried Egg site. My question is, does a hole need to fit perfectly into a description to be called a template hole? Example: Redan looks like it's usually described as a medium to long par 3. But can you do the Redan green complex on a par 4 or 5 and still call it a Redan? It also says the green sits at a 45 degree angle and slopes front to back. Do these elements all need to be true in order for it to be a Redan? Can a redan be a par 4 or 5 hole? Absolutely. Does the green need to sit at an angle and slope from front to back? Again, absolutely. Modifying redans with internal tiers, not having them play front to back or not having them sit at an angle takes away the right to call it a redan in my opinion. It's also very important to have the front hazard that guards the green.
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 11, 2020 12:13:07 GMT -5
Starting to think more about template holes in my designs. I think that's the next logical step I need to consider instead of just continuing to "think stuff up" with no plan. I've looked at the Fried Egg site. My question is, does a hole need to fit perfectly into a description to be called a template hole? Example: Redan looks like it's usually described as a medium to long par 3. But can you do the Redan green complex on a par 4 or 5 and still call it a Redan? It also says the green sits at a 45 degree angle and slopes front to back. Do these elements all need to be true in order for it to be a Redan? Can a redan be a par 4 or 5 hole? Absolutely. Does the green need to sit at an angle and slope from front to back? Again, absolutely. Modifying redans with internal tiers, not having them play front to back or not having them sit at an angle takes away the right to call it a redan in my opinion. It's also very important to have the front hazard that guards the green. Makes sense those elements would be the required ones because it seems the overall strategy calls for a shot to land short and feed to the back hole locations
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Post by lessthanbread on Mar 11, 2020 13:47:21 GMT -5
Ok, I've spent some time looking around and compiling notes on each of the templates listed and started thinking about which ones I might want to use. One that I like the sound of but still can't really get my head around is the Lido template. It sounds like this template was based off a hole of the Lido Golf Club that doesn't exist anymore and features three distinct options off the tee surrounded by water... Anything more on the Lido template?
Mostly I'm finding I have used these template ideas before but just didn't realize I was doing it.
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