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Post by Cyclerob on Oct 30, 2018 10:50:53 GMT -5
Got to say that my oldest controller, the blue one, barely passed the API for the first four rounds of Q-School. I asked the fair play team as I didn't want to re-live the exhibition episode. So with my less effective, consistant swing and an older DS4 that has way more play in the mechanism, I still barely pass. They told me that if I improve that swing in the future I won't! Anyways my first four rounds are all here: It feels to me like a normal swing for my level of play. Tried really hard on every shot to complete my swing with so so results! 1 for the course rating? This was a 5 star course IMO and we need more like it on tours instead of the ridiculous unrealistic birdiefests. I hope coruler2 is listening! Yup! I have no patience for courses that: 1) Offer you no target off the tee, meaning that if you use Driver 90% chance of getting in trouble, club down and not better or can really reach the green with your second shot. 2) Greens that are full of bumps and breaks that you can't see on your TV. Maybe me 'cause I'm getting older. 3) Greens with pin placements that on longer second shots that have big lips in front so you can't let the ball roll to the pin and have severe slopes just behing the pins and you roll of the greens. 4) Where luck is more important than a good shot. I.e. you play a short iron that almost stops at the hole, than hit a slope and you end up 50' from the pin 5) Where you have to aim at the rough on some par 3 trees and hope for a great bounce to end up near the hole, 'cause if you land on the green you'll roll off. Some fairways were like that too. 6) Did I mention the water in the middle of the first hole fairway? 7) The sixth hole where you don't have much of a landing area. 8) That hole with the "castle ruins". 9) Greens that show you a break going left or right, then you putt and the ball goes opposite as if a magnet was pulling it. Basically I don't like what I would call artificially tricked up courses. That one felt like that to me! I did score allright, but without much enjoyment! And judging by the overall scores and the warning for non-Pro Tour players, as far as they wouldn't see courses like that anymore, I may not be the only one feeling like that about this one! Nothing against the designer btw. Hope that clears a bit the "why" of my 1 star evaluation.  |
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 30, 2018 11:29:07 GMT -5
The entirety of this post is an opinion and doesn't suggest that my grading system is any better than any other course grading system.
1-star evaluations should be reserved for obvious auto-gen course creations, or courses that are clearly unplayable.
2-star evaluations should be reserved for courses that are very rough and visually unenjoyable, but have a semblance of playability.
3, 4 and 5 should be used to rate your personal enjoyment of a course with 3 being "I really didn't like it", 4 being "it was pretty good", and 5 being "it was excellent".
If there is an obvious attempt at making a course meet a standard threshold of both playability and visual appeal, even if you think the course is "tricked up" by making you play for par and harshly penalizing aggressive misses, then the course is worth 3 stars. Just because the course is hard and punishing, doesn't make it substandard. If you didn't enjoy playing it, you're entitled to that opinion, but it doesn't mean the course was trash.
I, too, am not a fan of the course, but I did appreciate the challenge, and that I had to think about my tee shot on every hole.
I have not warmed up to the 12th hole across three different games - yes, I played this course in every version of TGC. I don't like the number of front-to-back sloping greens combined with firm/fast conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 11:41:11 GMT -5
Shoot -28 with an average of 3 missed fairways and greens a round and the course is rated at 1 star as you cant stay on a fairway or get close to a pin. Good job HB did the tweak so there is less roll out now. Im with SweetTeeBag the top tours should see courses like this every 3 weeks and not back to par=bogey to the rest of the field. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Oct 30, 2018 12:00:55 GMT -5
1 for the course rating? This was a 5 star course IMO and we need more like it on tours instead of the ridiculous unrealistic birdiefests. I hope coruler2 is listening! Yup! I have no patience for courses that: 1) Offer you no target off the tee, meaning that if you use Driver 90% chance of getting in trouble, club down and not better or can really reach the green with your second shot. 2) Greens that are full of bumps and breaks that you can't see on your TV. Maybe me 'cause I'm getting older. 3) Greens with pin placements that on longer second shots that have big lips in front so you can't let the ball roll to the pin and have severe slopes just behing the pins and you roll of the greens. 4) Where luck is more important than a good shot. I.e. you play a short iron that almost stops at the hole, than hit a slope and you end up 50' from the pin 5) Where you have to aim at the rough on some par 3 trees and hope for a great bounce to end up near the hole, 'cause if you land on the green you'll roll off. Some fairways were like that too. 6) Did I mention the water in the middle of the first hole fairway? 7) The sixth hole where you don't have much of a landing area. 8) That hole with the "castle ruins". 9) Greens that show you a break going left or right, then you putt and the ball goes opposite as if a magnet was pulling it. Basically I don't like what I would call artificially tricked up courses. That one felt like that to me! I did score allright, but without much enjoyment! And judging by the overall scores and the warning for non-Pro Tour players, as far as they wouldn't see courses like that anymore, I may not be the only one feeling like that about this one! Nothing against the designer btw. Hope that clears a bit the "why" of my 1 star evaluation. Your description gives me goosebumps. What a course! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 12:21:24 GMT -5
1 for the course rating? This was a 5 star course IMO and we need more like it on tours instead of the ridiculous unrealistic birdiefests. I hope coruler2 is listening! Yup! I have no patience for courses that: 1) Offer you no target off the tee, meaning that if you use Driver 90% chance of getting in trouble, club down and not better or can really reach the green with your second shot. Course management and taking about 5 seconds to look around should tell you what a risky and safe shot is.2) Greens that are full of bumps and breaks that you can't see on your TV. Maybe me 'cause I'm getting older. There are grids on, a literal visual enhancement, to help you with this.3) Greens with pin placements that on longer second shots that have big lips in front so you can't let the ball roll to the pin and have severe slopes just behing the pins and you roll of the greens. Often other parts of the green are more easily accessible. Not every pin is a green light "go for it" one.4) Where luck is more important than a good shot. I.e. you play a short iron that almost stops at the hole, than hit a slope and you end up 50' from the pin You likely didn't properly account for the correct rollout/wind adjustment. Adjust. That slope was there before you hit your shot, too. Adjust.5) Where you have to aim at the rough on some par 3 trees and hope for a great bounce to end up near the hole, 'cause if you land on the green you'll roll off. Some fairways were like that too. I don't have a problem with this. Been in the game since season one across three versions and countless courses.6) Did I mention the water in the middle of the first hole fairway? Lay up (It's not an overly long hole). Hit it to the right of the hazard. Hit it to the left of the hazard. Bomb it over the hazard. Pick one.7) The sixth hole where you don't have much of a landing area. There's a lay up area. Going for the landing area around the tree carries risk.8) That hole with the "castle ruins". What's wrong with the ruins themselves? I liked the aesthetic personally. It was a converted par 5 to a par 4, so it's pretty much a par hole.9) Greens that show you a break going left or right, then you putt and the ball goes opposite as if a magnet was pulling it. Don't trust the moving beads, pay attention to the grid lines themselves.Basically I don't like what I would call artificially tricked up courses. That one felt like that to me! I did score allright, but without much enjoyment! And judging by the overall scores and the warning for non-Pro Tour players, as far as they wouldn't see courses like that anymore, I may not be the only one feeling like that about this one! Nothing against the designer btw. Hope that clears a bit the "why" of my 1 star evaluation.
I echo the comments above that 1 star reviews are for trash auto-gen courses, not something like this just because you didn't "enjoy" it. But that is my .02
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Post by Cyclerob on Oct 30, 2018 12:47:05 GMT -5
Shoot -28 with an average of 3 missed fairways and greens a round and the course is rated at 1 star as you cant stay on a fairway or get close to a pin. Good job HB did the tweak so there is less roll out now. Im with SweetTeeBag the top tours should see courses like this every 3 weeks and not back to par=bogey to the rest of the field. Never said that I couldn't play! It just gets old that most of the courses we did get to play in the now defunct World Tour were tricked out. It does get old. Regarding the way that I evaluate courses, I don't look at who made it, minds you most designers have their "signature". I usually start at 3 stars for good well planned courses, 4 stats for a really really nice courses. 5 stars are reserved for the few exceptionals courses that I've played, which I don't encounter too often. Now on the other hand if I feel that a course is artificially tricked out, a 1 star is automatic. It doesn't matter how I scored on it. Again, rating courses is very subjective, it just that I don't get impressed really easily. I think that all opinions are valid here, mine is definately no better than yours.  |
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Post by coruler2 on Oct 30, 2018 18:55:30 GMT -5
I’m hoping to find and use some real hard track on PGA. 1 per month would be about right. I personally love the hard tracks. But I don’t want to ostracize the majority of players
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Oct 30, 2018 20:01:15 GMT -5
I’m hoping to find and use some real hard track on PGA. 1 per month would be about right. I personally love the hard tracks. But I don’t want to ostracize the majority of players ...you have my number...  |
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Post by KenTremendous on Oct 31, 2018 7:28:55 GMT -5
Whore.
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Post by echomike2 on Oct 31, 2018 13:28:52 GMT -5
St. Bedes was the first course I played that seemed "set up for failure" although I fail on many LOL
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Post by cassonava on Dec 4, 2018 19:10:46 GMT -5
This is the best day on this forum in quite some time. Some of these whines are just 10/10.
The stupidity is strong on the forums today Matt (say it in a Yoda voice for full effect) I don't mind people having a laugh at me for being a whiner ... fair enough ... although everything I said was 100% accurate. But stupidity? I think your response qualifies way better for that description. No need to be so uptight. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 4, 2018 19:58:44 GMT -5
ummm... wrong thread, wrong quote?
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