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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 20, 2018 3:44:15 GMT -5
It's said that the club restrictions are so players can compete with others of similar skills on a 'level playing field. What are the 'Pro' players afraid of? The 'level playing field' is this game, why should players who excel with one set of clubs be barred from competing to be the best in the GAME? If Pro clubs are really THAT advantageous, why wouldn't the 'elite' players just use them instead? The club restrictions just seem a way to massage the egos of some, and divide the overall community. I see you're new here... this has been discussed again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and.... you get the picture. The best Masters players will destroy the best "other clubs players" off the same tee sets. I guarantee that PGA/World players are not scared of players using the lower club sets, but a level playing field for the pro tours has been set. The best players want to use masters as (critically) they can use them so they are advantageous, they give them the greatest challenge in the game and they will score better with them. I use masters for those exact reasons, otherwise, I'd take another option. Ego massaging... LOL. Play with the clubs you feel comfortable with. That gives you a lot of options... If you outgrow those options, then you have a decision to make. Continue to be the best and scoop up the awards at CC level, or use another clubset and see how far you can go. It's quite simple. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 3:51:39 GMT -5
Two questions, all seems fairly simple and well thought through.
Will the API pick up club sets so we KNOW everyone is using the right set?
What will happen to people who use the easier club sets and qualify for the pro tours? I’m using the Master clubs (and will regardless), but suspect I’d qualify higher using the easier sets. I’m hoping that anyone using the easier clubs will be restricted to the CC-Am leaderboards.
Thanks for any answers 👍
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Post by Coniglio on Sept 20, 2018 4:05:02 GMT -5
Two questions, all seems fairly simple and well thought through. Will the API pick up club sets so we KNOW everyone is using the right set? What will happen to people who use the easier club sets and qualify for the pro tours? I’m using the Master clubs (and will regardless), but suspect I’d qualify higher using the easier sets. I’m hoping that anyone using the easier clubs will be restricted to the CC-Am leaderboards. Thanks for any answers 👍 You can only qualify for pro tours if you use Masters during all rounds. Everything else is restricted to CC. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 20, 2018 4:05:51 GMT -5
Two questions, all seems fairly simple and well thought through. Will the API pick up club sets so we KNOW everyone is using the right set? What will happen to people who use the easier club sets and qualify for the pro tours? I’m using the Master clubs (and will regardless), but suspect I’d qualify higher using the easier sets. I’m hoping that anyone using the easier clubs will be restricted to the CC-Am leaderboards. Thanks for any answers 👍 Eyup Ray. API - no idea, but ghost play would show that up as per TGC2 as a minimum. I have to assume it’s in the api, or qschool will be a bloody nightmare to administrate. Players using Pro clubs that score better than Masters users will be seeded no higher than CC |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 20, 2018 4:11:04 GMT -5
Two questions, all seems fairly simple and well thought through. Will the API pick up club sets so we KNOW everyone is using the right set? What will happen to people who use the easier club sets and qualify for the pro tours? I’m using the Master clubs (and will regardless), but suspect I’d qualify higher using the easier sets. I’m hoping that anyone using the easier clubs will be restricted to the CC-Am leaderboards. Thanks for any answers 👍 Doyley seemed to have exact percentages for club usage from the exhibitions, so I think the answer to the first question is yes.
Second one, I think people who use the easier club sets won't be able to qualify for the Pro Tours. So if someone using Pro clubs wins Q School, he will still only qualify for CC-A. The Top 150 Masters Club players will make the PGA
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Post by martbloke on Sept 20, 2018 4:21:16 GMT -5
I see you're new here... this has been discussed again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and.... you get the picture. The best Masters players will destroy the best "other clubs players" off the same tee sets. I guarantee that PGA/World players are not scared of players using the lower club sets, but a level playing field for the pro tours has been set. The best players want to use masters as (critically) they can use them so they are advantageous, they give them the greatest challenge in the game and they will score better with them. I use masters for those exact reasons, otherwise, I'd take another option. Ego massaging... LOL. Play with the clubs you feel comfortable with. That gives you a lot of options... If you outgrow those options, then you have a decision to make. Continue to be the best and scoop up the awards at CC level, or use another clubset and see how far you can go. It's quite simple.Exactly this! I am going to be playing TST style throughout regardless as that's how I enjoy playing - no grids, no wind meter, no scout cam, no putting marker done! I tend to hit no more than -3 or -4 and more often than not struggle to break par so it will be a real challenge for me to get promoted but my god it will be so much fun. Likely to be in CC-Am I reckon. Bring it on! |
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Post by Tenahka on Sept 20, 2018 4:37:02 GMT -5
Soo...... Am I actually the only one looking forward to a chance of jumping up into Web.com from a lowly cc-c/d level in tgc2?
Everyone on here seems to be seeing the bad side, oooooh i cant play, i cant use master clubs... My advice, spent hours in the driving range! That's what I did and now i can shoot -8 to -10 on average from the tips.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Sept 20, 2018 4:43:12 GMT -5
Meeeehhhhh.... Only here to troll! Game must be broken. I hit the ball straight. Still can't putt. Ready for Q-School. I'm terrible with no wind speed number, but I'm managing it ok. There will be whiners or whatever. Masters clubs for me. Maybe I can get my rivalries back on with some folks.  |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 20, 2018 4:51:23 GMT -5
Soo...... Am I actually the only one looking forward to a chance of jumping up into Web.com from a lowly cc-c/d level in tgc2? Everyone on here seems to be seeing the bad side, oooooh i cant play, i cant use master clubs... My advice, spent hours in the driving range! That's what I did and now i can shoot -8 to -10 on average from the tips. Yes, a lot of people seem to look at it backwards.
Surely the target should be to make the PGA, and if not that the Euro, and if not that the Web etc.
Even if I thought I was a CC level player, I'd use the Master clubs, and then IF you fail miserably and end up in CC-D you can switch down to whatever you need to do to compete at that level
In a sense, if we are to truly order everyone according to skill level, we should all use Master clubs (difficult to manage/admin, I understand)
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 20, 2018 5:03:16 GMT -5
Soo...... Am I actually the only one looking forward to a chance of jumping up into Web.com from a lowly cc-c/d level in tgc2? Everyone on here seems to be seeing the bad side, oooooh i cant play, i cant use master clubs... My advice, spent hours in the driving range! That's what I did and now i can shoot -8 to -10 on average from the tips. Yes, a lot of people seem to look at it backwards.
Surely the target should be to make the PGA, and if not that the Euro, and if not that the Web etc.
Even if I thought I was a CC level player, I'd use the Master clubs, and then IF you fail miserably and end up in CC-D you can switch down
I'm glad you feel that way, Jacko, but many people don't. They want to enjoy the game and to them enjoying the game which allows to play courses like a pro golfer would, want to be able to hit the scores and shots a pro golfer could. For many out there a round under par is absolutely fine and they can do it on the lower clubs. I'm seeing more and more older folks joining up, those with previous surgeries, slower reflexes some don't have the ability to use a controller and since the master clubs are a faster speed to get the tempo, many feel it is too much so they stick with the Pro clubs. Why? Because they can play the game and enjoy it. Nothing is more frustrating than to be hitting S/P nearly every shot.
Put them on Master clubs and they simply don't enjoy the game. So I think their target is whatever clubs they feel is right for them and gives the most fun for them out of the game. Then they see people shooting -15 using Master clubs while they are shooting over par and it is definitely not fun for them. Most everyone likes to compete and hopefully this new system gives all players something to compete for. We all know that unless you are in the PGA you aren't getting to the Masters. But I do hope there are some special tournaments here and there thrown in for those in the lower tiers because there are in the Euro, Web.com and even the lower flights in real life. They may not be as prestigious as the Masters or the Open Championship, but they are still important.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 20, 2018 5:08:04 GMT -5
Yes, a lot of people seem to look at it backwards.
Surely the target should be to make the PGA, and if not that the Euro, and if not that the Web etc.
Even if I thought I was a CC level player, I'd use the Master clubs, and then IF you fail miserably and end up in CC-D you can switch down
I'm glad you feel that way, Jacko, but many people don't. They want to enjoy the game and to them enjoying the game which allows to play courses like a pro golfer would, want to be able to hit the scores and shots a pro golfer could.
Of course. I wasn't suggesting putting a gun to their head and forcing them to play every round they play with clubs that are beyond their skill level.
But because different club sets are available, Doyley has essentially had to guess that the cut off for being able to handle the Masters Clubs is Web. It could well be higher or lower but we won't find out for months.
And the only way Q School would be a genuine measurement of everyones skill level is if we all used the same clubs. That's a fact.
Anyway, it's obviously not happening, I'm just musing
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 20, 2018 5:14:50 GMT -5
We all know that unless you are in the PGA you aren't getting to the Masters. But I do hope there are some special tournaments here and there thrown in for those in the lower tiers because there are in the Euro, Web.com and even the lower flights in real life. They may not be as prestigious as the Masters or the Open Championship, but they are still important. Fully agree. Special tournaments that have some entry level exclusivity should also exist within the tour structure outside of PGA |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 5:25:10 GMT -5
Thanks lads. Hoping for Euro, will be dirty if I fall any lower than Web.
Best I get practicing, pitching is still a nightmare...
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Post by Coniglio on Sept 20, 2018 6:03:46 GMT -5
Thanks lads. Hoping for Euro, will be dirty if I fall any lower than Web. Best I get practicing, pitching is still a nightmare... Flops are my night nightmare lol. Giving myself some 15/20ft+ putts most of the time lol. Pitching has been a bit better for me, but damn, one fast downswing and you turn that 52yd pitch into a 65/70 one haha. Sweaty hands with pitches and flops. I much prefer a full normal shot haha. |
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Post by frank70 on Sept 20, 2018 6:09:06 GMT -5
The biggest problem might be, that the game plays so differently on the different systems.
PS4 seems to play way easier than PC and Xbox. You hear it in the forums and you can see it when you look at the society scores. PS4 scores are way lower on average.
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