Riddle me this (poll!)

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Jun 28, 2018 12:23:38 GMT -5 Airik3333 said:

Jun 28, 2018 11:57:27 GMT -5 VctryLnSprts said:

If we flooded TGCT with thousands more players, I'd NEVER make a cut Robert! LMAO

This is why I have always wanted to see 3 different leagues at TGCTours... One for each system (PC, PS4, XBOX).. Maybe one day we will have so many players that this option will be on the table.. 

Eh, I don't know... honestly I was just kidding.  Even though I'm an also-ran on the tours, I like that I'm participating against everyone in TGCT.

[paulus]

Jun 28, 2018 11:27:02 GMT -5 xEB50x said:

In reality, HB should really think about buying TGCT and hire our admin to run it. This way they could promote TGCT at launch and garner thousands of more committed game players and future purchasers of the game. If you think about it, only a fraction of The Golf Club base even knows TGCT exists. This would only increase the value of the game, and in turn, HB would make a concerted effort to accommodate TGCT, knowing it's a huge draw to getting new customers, and keeping them! It seems like a smart business decision to me, and a win/win for all invested.

Not possible as it currently stands - the use of real tour names and events is not allowed without (very @!$#ing expensive) commercial licenses from the various tours and event organisers.

TGCT can use them because it's a fan site, not a commercial entity, using the names under fair use & parody laws. It's the reason TGCT cannot charge for entry & must rely on charitable donations from us.

[ErixonStone]

Jun 28, 2018 13:05:49 GMT -5 paulus said:

Jun 28, 2018 11:27:02 GMT -5 xEB50x said:

In reality, HB should really think about buying TGCT and hire our admin to run it. This way they could promote TGCT at launch and garner thousands of more committed game players and future purchasers of the game. If you think about it, only a fraction of The Golf Club base even knows TGCT exists. This would only increase the value of the game, and in turn, HB would make a concerted effort to accommodate TGCT, knowing it's a huge draw to getting new customers, and keeping them! It seems like a smart business decision to me, and a win/win for all invested.

Not possible as it currently stands - the use of real tour names and events is not allowed without (very @!$#ing expensive) commercial licenses from the various tours and event organisers.

TGCT can use them because it's a fan site, not a commercial entity, using the names under fair use & parody laws. It's the reason TGCT cannot charge for entry & must rely on charitable donations from us.

Yes, but HB secured the PGA TOUR license. Anyway, TGCT as part of TGC would be years in the making.

[B.Smooth13]

Jun 28, 2018 13:05:49 GMT -5 paulus said:

Jun 28, 2018 11:27:02 GMT -5 xEB50x said:

In reality, HB should really think about buying TGCT and hire our admin to run it. This way they could promote TGCT at launch and garner thousands of more committed game players and future purchasers of the game. If you think about it, only a fraction of The Golf Club base even knows TGCT exists. This would only increase the value of the game, and in turn, HB would make a concerted effort to accommodate TGCT, knowing it's a huge draw to getting new customers, and keeping them! It seems like a smart business decision to me, and a win/win for all invested.

Not possible as it currently stands - the use of real tour names and events is not allowed without (very @!$#ing expensive) commercial licenses from the various tours and event organisers.

TGCT can use them because it's a fan site, not a commercial entity, using the names under fair use & parody laws. It's the reason TGCT cannot charge for entry & must rely on charitable donations from us.

Preach

[paulus]

Jun 28, 2018 13:43:51 GMT -5 ErixonStone said:

HB secured the PGA TOUR license.

Interesting, didn't know that - will have cost a fair bit I'd guess. So probably does add grist to the mill that their long term path will be to provide a similar experience to TGCT. Only partial coverage tho - Euro, the Majors etc. are all additional licenses - to recoup costs will inevitably mean catering for the masses at the expense of the hardcore. Which is why EA games are generally so poop too.

[mcbogga]

Missing one option - Stay with TGC2 for season 5.

[B.Smooth13]

Jun 28, 2018 13:52:56 GMT -5 paulus said:

Interesting, didn't know that - will have cost a fair bit I'd guess. So probably does add grist to the mill that their long term path will be to provide a similar experience to TGCT. Only partial coverage tho - Euro, the Majors etc. are all additional licenses - to recoup costs will inevitably mean catering for the masses at the expense of the hardcore. Which is why EA games are generally so poop too.

Not even close to possible for HB to pull off, they are way too small and limited on resources ($$$). I think there is a reason why the structure we have here at TGCT hasn't been flawlessly implemented into a game yet, don't honestly know if the logistics, coding/development, resources needed for the build, and prohibitive cost are a set of obstacles that can be overcome - which is why TGCT exists, IMO, because it fills a void left by the legal and structural systems in place that can only be done through a "fan" type of site.

The only other game I've ever really gotten into was a motocross simulator, complete indie build by 1 guy who created everything from scratch - beyond remarkable, honestly. The game started in '07 and is still being developed by the same guy today, but it's not his #1 "job." Anyway, that was another niche sport that wasn't adequately covered through mainstream game publishers, and it opened up the opportunity for the indie game. The game blew up, and after a decade and constant advancements, the community steadily developed racing series that mimic irl - something no game has ever been able to do because of licensing and the fact that major game publishers dumbed them all down to appeal to a wider arcade audience (sound familiar?). Those series are now beyond structured, and as of a couple of years ago began charging for what are essentially season passes, but the verbiage used is VERY explicit - payment is in the form of a good will donation for profitless time invested by the organizers, it is not payment to participate in events that mimic irl without license.

So yea, it's tricky, and I don't think it's something possible for TGC or HB, at least not anytime soon. The PGA course license is one thing, but getting it all in 1 - courses, players, tour names, event names, etc. - is 5x+ of a task.

[Brighttail]

Jun 26, 2018 21:26:35 GMT -5 Doyley said:

Want to gauge the pulse of TGC Tours as best we can (via active forum members).

• TGC 2019 release date is set for August (no specific date)
  
• TGC Tours Season 4 ends 2nd week of September 

If we decide to finish out S4 as scheduled in TGC2 (while TGC 2019 has been released 2-6 weeks prior) will you still finish out the season or are you all in on 2019, bailing on S4, and waiting for us to switch over to 2019 for season 5?

My guess is that if it is mid August we'll be a month + anyway before Doyley and crew would even start official events, maybe some test events in late September.

For me it will be dependent how different the swings are. Once I started testing TGC 2, I could barely play TGC 1.

[ABU_Bear]

I'm undecided on this. Considering how long it took to get rolling again after TGC2 was released

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Why is everyone so sure the shot preview can't be locked off? I doubt HBS are that stupid to not give us the option to lock it off for society tournaments and online multiplayer. The beta test we did is not the finished game, they did say they are tuning the swing as well.
I remember others and myself requesting the option to turn ball tag's off and they fixed that in a patch

[TimB]

Jun 29, 2018 7:50:55 GMT -5 hammers1man said:

Why is everyone so sure the shot preview can't be locked off? I doubt HBS are that stupid to not give us the option to lock it off for society tournaments and online multiplayer. The beta test we did is not the finished game, they did say they are tuning the swing as well.
I remember others and myself requesting the option to turn ball tag's off and they fixed that in a patch

From HB Shaun himself in the locked "putt preview" thread at HB

Shot preview is a fun feature along with fast forward helping to bring a casual experience to a SIM type golf game. A ton of content has gone into this iteration for a very broad userbase to find enjoyment in. Features need to be implemented and tested before additional settings and options can be added to different modes. Adding restrictions for shot preview is something on the todo list for societies, however not a top priority while we prepare for submission. There are also other additions to societies we would like to make, for options, that will have a better impact to building events than that specific option.

We're planning months of post launch support and are still figuring out what that looks like. As we're able to collect data for how users are playing and where the time is being spent we can better focus our resources to continue to expand on the game.

as well as

It's completely up to TGCT on how they decide to police the settings people are using. That is out of our control.

All from this thread which was locked for some mysterious reason

www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,23881.0.html

edit

for some reason the link isn't working. Don't think the forum software likes the numbers.html in the url, probably thinks its a hack (going from my old vbulletin forum admining days years ago) or something.

HB Forum, the locked putt preview thread is where I'm trying to link to.

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2018 7:56:12 GMT -5 TimB said:

Jun 29, 2018 7:50:55 GMT -5 hammers1man said:

Why is everyone so sure the shot preview can't be locked off? I doubt HBS are that stupid to not give us the option to lock it off for society tournaments and online multiplayer. The beta test we did is not the finished game, they did say they are tuning the swing as well.
I remember others and myself requesting the option to turn ball tag's off and they fixed that in a patch

From HB Shaun himself in the locked "putt preview" thread at HB

Shot preview is a fun feature along with fast forward helping to bring a casual experience to a SIM type golf game. A ton of content has gone into this iteration for a very broad userbase to find enjoyment in. Features need to be implemented and tested before additional settings and options can be added to different modes. Adding restrictions for shot preview is something on the todo list for societies, however not a top priority while we prepare for submission. There are also other additions to societies we would like to make, for options, that will have a better impact to building events than that specific option.

We're planning months of post launch support and are still figuring out what that looks like. As we're able to collect data for how users are playing and where the time is being spent we can better focus our resources to continue to expand on the game.

as well as

It's completely up to TGCT on how they decide to police the settings people are using. That is out of our control.

All from this thread which was locked for some mysterious reason

www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,23881.0.html

edit

for some reason the link isn't working. Don't think the forum software likes the numbers.html in the url, probably thinks its a hack (going from my old vbulletin forum admining days years ago) or something.

HB Forum, the locked putt preview thread is where I'm trying to link to.

I think in Shaun's comment he confused SIM with ARCADE.Like every golfer in real life has a preview of their putt before they take it. Just wonder what goes into their heads on this one, just can't see the logic of being able to lock off grids but not some gimmick like a putt preview

[SloanerTW]

We probably should wait till the game drops before making any decisions on what to do. Sure shot preview sounds horrible and it is but, if its locked off for masters clubs then thats ok. I think i read somewhere that the swing was easier with masters clubs than the current tour clubs of tgc2 and if thats the case then everyone should be forced to use them and the api should pick it up.Then once they give us the option to toggle shot preview in societies we can expand the club choices again.

As for the shot preview stuff your better off not using it unless your absolutely new to the game cause it will hurt you more in the long run and will struggle vs those that don't use it. It's the same situation that the caddy had in the TW series the caddy users got destroyed by people who didn't use it.

Either way I'm still looking forward to the new game and will have fun with it no matter what happens. Can't wait for multiplayer and they show up with shot previews and such and still lose by 5-10

[mcbogga]

Jun 29, 2018 7:56:12 GMT -5 TimB said:

Jun 29, 2018 7:50:55 GMT -5 hammers1man said:

Why is everyone so sure the shot preview can't be locked off? I doubt HBS are that stupid to not give us the option to lock it off for society tournaments and online multiplayer. The beta test we did is not the finished game, they did say they are tuning the swing as well.
I remember others and myself requesting the option to turn ball tag's off and they fixed that in a patch

From HB Shaun himself in the locked "putt preview" thread at HB

Shot preview is a fun feature along with fast forward helping to bring a casual experience to a SIM type golf game. A ton of content has gone into this iteration for a very broad userbase to find enjoyment in. Features need to be implemented and tested before additional settings and options can be added to different modes. Adding restrictions for shot preview is something on the todo list for societies, however not a top priority while we prepare for submission. There are also other additions to societies we would like to make, for options, that will have a better impact to building events than that specific option.

We're planning months of post launch support and are still figuring out what that looks like. As we're able to collect data for how users are playing and where the time is being spent we can better focus our resources to continue to expand on the game.

as well as

It's completely up to TGCT on how they decide to police the settings people are using. That is out of our control.

All from this thread which was locked for some mysterious reason

www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,23881.0.html

edit

for some reason the link isn't working. Don't think the forum software likes the numbers.html in the url, probably thinks its a hack (going from my old vbulletin forum admining days years ago) or something.

HB Forum, the locked putt preview thread is where I'm trying to link to.

Those posts are so out of sync with what TGCT and the general community stands for that we can only assume other important aspects will be broken as well.

[Deleted]

Confirmed from Alan on HB boards that Master clubs will not have putt preview. That is good news but obviously creates an issue with player clubs.