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Post by jakierobo85 on Jun 27, 2018 9:52:27 GMT -5
Also, seeing as how HB just basically said via a post by one of them this morning that the putt-preview BS is NOT going to be an option for restriction on day 1, I think "we" as TGCTours players - not to mention Scott and the rest of the admin crew here - are in for a rough ride with the new game. The things I've read from the HB folks in the past week or so don't make it seem like it would be a quick or easy transition for TGCT into '19. What does the putt preview look like? How much of an aid is it? Does anybody know?........ |
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Post by TreeWood on Jun 27, 2018 10:31:46 GMT -5
I’d like to finish out the season too. Invested too much time to want to bail early. Agree 100% with the earlier comment that HB will need a couple weeks anyways in order to optimize/balance server load, push out patches/fixes, etc.
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 27, 2018 10:38:00 GMT -5
I voted to finish out last season on TGC1.. So yes.. I vote to finish out on TGC2 this season..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't usually follow the developments of games as they near release. Reading about it a little bit now makes me not even want anything to do with TGC19 if this continues.
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Post by xEB50x on Jun 27, 2018 11:43:46 GMT -5
I would say whatever works best for admin to work a smooth transition between the two games. If that means removing an event or two too make this happen, that would be fine as well. I do think most people's priority will be getting used to the new game mechanics once 2019 is released, so there's no doubt some who have nothing to play for...special events/Ryder cup/fed-ex may feel their time is better spent practicing the new game, which will result in lower tourney fields. I'm one who will not be a part of any of the special events, so I would have to make the decision to continue or not based on how different the swing mechanics are, and if I feel my time would be better spent preparing for the new game. Most likely I'd play it out.
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 27, 2018 11:45:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't usually follow the developments of games as they near release. Reading about it a little bit now makes me not even want anything to do with TGC19 if this continues. Well, if 2019 does not work for TGCTours.. We could always stick with TGC2.. |
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Post by gordovanheisenberg on Jun 27, 2018 12:25:33 GMT -5
Judging from the release of tgc2, the servers were horrific upon release. I would suggest (opinion) finishing season 4 on tgc2 until hb studios iron out bugs on the new release. Hopefully (using the economic laws of supply and demand) this drives down the price of tgc’19 for everyone? Also allows users time to finish any courses they may be working on.
Again just an opinion. Not saying I’m 100% right lol. There’s probably pros or changing over too but it just gives times for the devs (from tgctours) to get their own system up and running and tested too.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 27, 2018 15:19:17 GMT -5
There's been a silent tone of resentment, from my perspective, by HB towards TGCT since TGC2. The society movement and complete removal of Tour's seemed to me to be a pretty pointed decision to try and claim users that were TGCT-centric instead of HB, and HB wants to have everything running through them - which makes sense, because it's a lot easier to monotize a population of customers when you are in control, which they are not.
I'm really, really skeptical of '19 from what I've read in the past few days. The tone has changed - hell, even in the stress test one of their staff members had posts deleted in a thread on a topic I brought up, and then reached out to me after the fact to express his opinion - and I honestly wouldn't expect them to go but an inch out of their way to appease the crowd here and/or take TGCT at large into account at all in their decision making. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 15:44:53 GMT -5
It's certainly never going to happen that a game publishing company caters to a "forum group" like TGCT, so I wouldn't ever have unreasonable expectations of such. However, considering the thousands of copies of TGC2 that sold on day 1 BECAUSE of this community, it's sad to think that they wouldn't find more value in partnership than alienation. It's not like everybody that buys their game needs to be a TGCT member, nor would that ever be expected, but the loyalty to one franchise that TGCT has created is something that HB could work "into" the game, and it would be a shame if they didn't recognize that.
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Post by titaneddie on Jun 27, 2018 15:48:21 GMT -5
There's been a silent tone of resentment, from my perspective, by HB towards TGCT since TGC2. The society movement and complete removal of Tour's seemed to me to be a pretty pointed decision to try and claim users that were TGCT-centric instead of HB, and HB wants to have everything running through them - which makes sense, because it's a lot easier to monotize a population of customers when you are in control, which they are not. I'm really, really skeptical of '19 from what I've read in the past few days. The tone has changed - hell, even in the stress test one of their staff members had posts deleted in a thread on a topic I brought up, and then reached out to me after the fact to express his opinion - and I honestly wouldn't expect them to go but an inch out of their way to appease the crowd here and/or take TGCT at large into account at all in their decision making. Pretty sad, but it is what it is. Yeah, I really don't understand their stance or direction on some things. Seems they keep doing little deliberate things to make things harder for TGCT in hopes of chasing some new market. I mean why not do both?? Throw in your arcade stuff to try an attract the casuals but keep the options there to run a competitive tour. I mean they're not adding anything and in fact they're taking away things that worked. The comment by HB Shaun "It's completely up to TGCT on how they decide to police the settings people are using. That is out of our control", was just utterly ridiculous. Anyways I feel bad for the admins here to have to work though this stuff, but hopefully everything keeps chugging along. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 27, 2018 16:13:30 GMT -5
As long as HB is willing to send API to fan sites, TGCTours will be fine.
I find Shaun to be tone deaf with his comments.
BUT, if I were in charge of HB's direction within the TGC franchise, I would probably make most of the same decisions. Eventually, I would want to have online societies resemble the robustness of this site.
I realize that would mean TGC20xx would have the best online career mode of any sports franchise, and there's a LONG way to go.
With all that said, I'd vote for finishing S4 on TGC2 and hosting S5 on TGC2019.
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Post by paulus on Jun 27, 2018 16:14:26 GMT -5
Finish the season - obvs. Loads of solid reasons already stated.
Providing some balance to the anti-HB debate...
They specifically created the API by request from TGCT... not many games studios would cater for a fan site with such an expensive bit of development - these things are not trivial to write and also require ongoing maintenance & hosting = $$$.
We all have opinions about what they're doing wrong sure, but they have also done a lot right. Still the best golf sim to be found, right?
That's all, please place back on your steel toe caps & resume kicking...
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 27, 2018 16:49:40 GMT -5
They specifically created the API by request from TGCT... not many games studios would cater for a fan site with such an expensive bit of development - these things are not trivial to write and also require ongoing maintenance & hosting = $$$. I'll still hold to my personal opinion on the general direction/tone of HB moving forward, but this is a very fair point to bring up - and assuming it's as you've described, something I can point to as a positive in the history of HB's relationship with this place.
...so we've got that going for us...
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Post by paulus on Jun 27, 2018 17:02:23 GMT -5
Thumbs up for the Caddyshack reference 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 18:01:19 GMT -5
Finish the season - obvs. Loads of solid reasons already stated. Providing some balance to the anti-HB debate... They specifically created the API by request from TGCT... not many games studios would cater for a fan site with such an expensive bit of development - these things are not trivial to write and also require ongoing maintenance & hosting = $$$. We all have opinions about what they're doing wrong sure, but they have also done a lot right. Still the best golf sim to be found, right? That's all, please place back on your steel toe caps & resume kicking... Definitely fair points, which is actually why I think the mentality of "partnership" would go a long way to working together to ensure that the game succeeds for the realistic sim community, like TGCT, while also having the arcade modes available that helps HB sell more games to the casual golf fan, which I can't fault them for. My whole argument all along is that this relationship could stay very solid if both sides recognize the strengths of the other. No kicking from me, I've never spent anywhere even remotely close to the hours on ANY video game in my entire life that I've spent with TGC1 and TGC2, and the TGCT online career mode and forum is the first "gaming community" I've ever been a part of as well, so clearly the HB franchise is providing significant value to me for just $59.99 (a price I'd gladly pay, or more, for TGC2019 if the same benefits remain). So I have no ill-will toward HB at all, unless they end up stripping this good thing away from us in favor of quick profits in arcade mode for the masses. |
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