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Post by scarpacci on Feb 5, 2018 21:11:52 GMT -5
I love a good punchbowl! I incorporated one at Greenleaf and a rather unique one on the course I'm currently working on.
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Post by theclv24 on Feb 6, 2018 11:36:40 GMT -5
I love a good punchbowl! I incorporated one at Greenleaf and a rather unique one on the course I'm currently working on. I'll have to check it out, as I'm not sure I've ever played a legit punchbowl in real life. Apparently Sweeten's Cove in TN has a Redan that feeds into a Punchbowl, so maybe there are no actual punchbowl rules?
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Post by scarpacci on Feb 6, 2018 18:02:10 GMT -5
I love a good punchbowl! I incorporated one at Greenleaf and a rather unique one on the course I'm currently working on. I'll have to check it out, as I'm not sure I've ever played a legit punchbowl in real life. Apparently Sweeten's Cove in TN has a Redan that feeds into a Punchbowl, so maybe there are no actual punchbowl rules? To be honest, I don't think I pulled it off all that well but it's the 8th hole at Greenleaf if you want to check it out. It's a short hole and I think that type of green complex is better suited for a longer approach shot.
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Post by theclv24 on Feb 11, 2018 0:00:10 GMT -5
Just experimenting with names. It seems like it needs Farms in the name, and I like the idea of it being a municipal, so trying this one to see what it looks like. I've put together the plot and laid out all 18 holes, and it was harder than expected to get everything lined up. From this point on I'm sure I will probably make some tweaks to the plan laid out on the blueprint, but will try to keep the integrity of that original routing as much as possible. Edit: There should be a picture here. No idea what it's not working. Here is a link until the pic works: postimg.org/image/n47yel8x7/
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Post by rjwils30 on Feb 11, 2018 9:05:51 GMT -5
Really looking forward to this one. I’ve always wanted to take on a McRaynor inspired course.
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Post by joegolferg on Feb 11, 2018 9:11:31 GMT -5
#12 - Blue Mound - Par 4 - 342 This northwest corner of the property has been the hardest to route, with a couple of shorter par 4's squeezed together. I have a list of templates to work from, but not 18 unique templates that will fit the property, so I have scoured many of the MacRaynor courses to find ideas. This hole comes from Raynor's Blue Mound, and fits nicely as a mid- to short-length par 4. There are 3 different possible landing areas off of the tee, all of which face their own obstacles. Decision-making might be the best defense for a short par 4, while giving shorter hitters a fair chance at the hole, so I like this hole's position here. An existing pond will slightly threaten any heavily pulled approach shots. This hole has some Old White TPC influence, surely? Looks excellent mate.
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Post by theclv24 on Feb 11, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -5
#12 - Blue Mound - Par 4 - 342 This northwest corner of the property has been the hardest to route, with a couple of shorter par 4's squeezed together. I have a list of templates to work from, but not 18 unique templates that will fit the property, so I have scoured many of the MacRaynor courses to find ideas. This hole comes from Raynor's Blue Mound, and fits nicely as a mid- to short-length par 4. There are 3 different possible landing areas off of the tee, all of which face their own obstacles. Decision-making might be the best defense for a short par 4, while giving shorter hitters a fair chance at the hole, so I like this hole's position here. An existing pond will slightly threaten any heavily pulled approach shots. This hole has some Old White TPC influence, surely? Looks excellent mate. It totally slipped my mind to look at Old White until my 16th "Short" hole, because I knew the 18th there had a thumbprint green. That's when I started looking at the entire plot on Google Earth and realized how cool it was. That's also when I started looking at it for inspiration for my 18th hole.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 7, 2018 7:41:23 GMT -5
Really looking forward to this one. I’ve always wanted to take on a McRaynor inspired course. Do it! These Raynor, Banks and Macdonald courses aren't represented enough in the game. Extremely enjoyable to design as well.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 7, 2018 7:42:24 GMT -5
Any updates on this course? Very much looking forward to it.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 16, 2018 9:54:39 GMT -5
#8 - Original Creation - Par 3 - 309 As of writing this I am 14 holes in, and so far this is the only hole that has no basis in a template or existing hole at all. This hole was in my original Links routing, and as originally intended, this is a short and possibly drivable par 4, making use of the existing ditch on the property. It was important to me to have multiple ways to play this hole, especially for less skilled players. From long to short, the playing options are to take a shot at the green, which is guarded on each side. The longest layup must clear the last fairway bunker, but remain short of the ditch. A ball that finds the bunker faces a treacherous shot over water. Mid-length layups must navigate a path between both fairway bunkers, while a short layup faces the longest approach to the guarded green. Finally got back to work on this one after a break to work on other things. I previously had most of the 1st done, and touched it up a little last night. I also knocked out the Biarritz 9th last night. Next I am working on the 8th, above, that kind of sits between the 1st and the 9th. Once all 3 holes fit together, I will probably start posting more pics of the progress. Since the 8th hole is not based on a template, I am looking to at least make the green interesting and have some of the MacRaynor/Banks design philosophies. Taking any thoughts or suggestions here for those interested in these types of things. Right now I am thinking for a short hole like this, I would do a pretty severe back to front tilt, and also a decent amount of left to right tilt. This would set up a few scenarios: - If you were trying to drive the green, a draw might hold best because of the green tilt. This may be more difficult visually due to the angle of the ditch seeming to favor a draw. - If you overcook the draw, or overcook the drive, and find either the left bunker or back bunker, you have the most difficult recovery shot. If you bail in the right bunker you have a much easier up and down for birdie, but you also flirt with the ditch. - If you aren't going for the green off of the tee, the best angle in will be from the right. The layup to the right requires the most precise distance control, however, to fit between the fairway bunker and ditch.
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Post by PithyDoctorG on Mar 16, 2018 11:42:33 GMT -5
I like those ideas for #8. Seeing what looks like a relatively large green on such a short par 4 made me think of the Short at National Golf Links (#6). It's got a huge green but the internal contours are pretty wild. It's great that MacRaynor is getting so much love in this community (Charles Banks GC, the Old White TPC project, this one). I'm still waiting for someone to try an Alps hole ! It doesn't look like it fits this property, but the 3rd hole at the National is awesome (criticism of blind shots be damned).
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 16, 2018 15:15:11 GMT -5
I had a list of templates that I was going to look for on the plot, and Alps was on that list. Just no way to include one on a flat piece of property. I definitely looked at the 3rd at NGLA for a long time to see if there was any way to tweak that design to achieve it on flat land, but the Alps is essentially the polar opposite of flat, so no go.
The green at the 8th was pretty large when I measured it, so I reduced the footprint slightly, but still big. The benefit of large greens is the ability to add more interior contour, and more interesting pins. I guess it's also more encouraging for the amateur golfer, which is a fictional design caveat that I have been trying to include in this project.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 23, 2018 22:56:05 GMT -5
Finished the 8th hole to a point where I think I am comfortable with it, and adjusted the bunkers on the 9th to hopefully look a little better. Here are some shots of 1, 8 and 9 in somewhat low light to highlight the contours. Surrounding plot areas are only partially done and very much a work in progress. 1st Hole - Par 5 - Double Plateau Principal's Nose and Double Plateau green. After taking this screenshot in the light, the green looks slightly to abrupt and severe, even for a double plateau. Will try to smooth it out a bit to make it look better. 8th Hole - Par 4 9th - Par 3 0 Biarritz I'm noticing that the course doesn't feel as severe or as jarring as some Raynor courses, but after a closer look at the Biarritz at Shoreacres, another quite flat plot in a lot of places, I see that that one is not as severe, either. It really just depends on the plot, so I feel ok here.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 24, 2018 5:48:55 GMT -5
Looks very nice. I like the flat plot for this design to be honest, it sort of gives it a Chicago GC look and feel. The only downside as you mentioned is that you can't get all the templates in that you want, I'd love to see you build an alps template, but it obviously wouldn't fit in with the current terrain you have going. From those pictures the bunkers don't look too close to the greens as you mentioned to me yesterday, just stick to the 3.5 - 4 yard rule for greenside bunkers and they should blend nicely, and you can completely flatten them and make them blind with that gap in between. Good progress mate 👍
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 24, 2018 5:53:42 GMT -5
I like those ideas for #8. Seeing what looks like a relatively large green on such a short par 4 made me think of the Short at National Golf Links (#6). It's got a huge green but the internal contours are pretty wild. It's great that MacRaynor is getting so much love in this community (Charles Banks GC, the Old White TPC project, this one). I'm still waiting for someone to try an Alps hole ! It doesn't look like it fits this property, but the 3rd hole at the National is awesome (criticism of blind shots be damned). Plenty more Macraynor style courses to come. Glad to see somebody who is a fan of this style because not many people on here, whether they're players or designers, ever really mention the classic design styles of CB and Raynor.
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