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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:15:07 GMT -5
I read 5 pages and had some thoughts. I forget some things already about what I read.
So am I correct in that the top four tours are all tiered one on top of the other now and the PGA and Euro are not equal anymore?
PGA+
PGA
Euro
Web
Right?
OK, so to me I think of this:
Web allows all swing choices. Keep it that way. After that Tour clubs for PGA+, PGA, and Euro (maybe a caveat here, read on).
It might be in the OP, but say again.. How will the 2nd and 3rd tour, and even Web, (The new PGA and Euro) tours be determined after the initial 50 players are put into PGA+.
Will the next XX players on the Hottest Players list be put on PGA, and then YY players to Euro with Web staying as is?
If I am correct in assuming the new Euro tour is the third highest tier at TGCT with this change, then those are going to be the players who are now sometimes to mostly making cuts on PGA and Euro, but sometimes missing (70/30 or 60/40). So this tour I could lean either way to allowing all swing types or not.
Are there any plans to take the top end players from Web at the end of Season 3 and giving them a promotion up to the "new" Euro tour? Top 10, Top 25?
Don't really mind the change personally as I would enjoy trying to stay in the PGA+ tour (assuming I get in initially) even if I had no chance of winning.
So you know me and WGR, have to ask:
Any insight to the WGR difference in % terms from Web to Euro to PGA to PGA+. Streamlined up steadily or a big jump somewhere?
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 23:23:51 GMT -5
It might be in the OP, but say again.. How will the 2nd and 3rd tour, and even Web, (The new PGA and Euro) tours be determined after the initial 50 players are put into PGA+. After season 3 is complete we will reshuffle the membership of the PGA and European Tours as such: PGA+Top 10: WGR Top 40: Hottest Players/Last 5 WeeksPGA TourNext 70: WGR Next 70: Hottest Players/Last 5 WeeksEuropean Tourremainder of PGA/European tour players Web.com players will remain on web |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:26:46 GMT -5
I would prefer a different name than PGA+. Yes, I realize it is there so it doesn't get confusing to know that they play the PGA Society events in game (non-special events). Reality is that the players reaching this level are pretty invested, by and large, into the game and the community here. So they likely wouldn't be confused by a totally different name.
It would be a badge of honor if it had a cool name like Elite Tour, or All-Star Tour, or whatever. Something like that. I wouldn't win on it, but just to be on this tour would be an accomplishment. To stay on it over a period of time even better. In a weird way it is like a reverse CC-Z tour. Smaller number of players, but reverse on the scoring. No disrespect meant to CC-Z players there, really! Just kind of weird how you would have fairly filled up (we hope) tours in between, but a smaller (niche) tour at the highest and lowest end.
Still do think this makes Majors, WGCs largely just another event for those members of PGA+ unfortunately.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 23:27:09 GMT -5
Are there any plans to take the top end players from Web at the end of Season 3 and giving them a promotion up to the "new" Euro tour? Top 10, Top 25? Most likely - haven't looked at it closely enough to see what can be done - will do that soonSo you know me and WGR, have to ask: Any insight to the WGR difference in % terms from Web to Euro to PGA to PGA+. Streamlined up steadily or a big jump somewhere? Still TBD |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 23:29:06 GMT -5
Still do think this makes Majors, WGCs largely just another event for those members of PGA+ unfortunately. Until a PGA Tour member comes up and wins the first major - most likely me |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:34:00 GMT -5
Still do think this makes Majors, WGCs largely just another event for those members of PGA+ unfortunately. Until a PGA Tour member comes up and wins the first major - most likely meI did notice the irony of the Top 10 WGR automatically getting into PGA+ and then the top 40 on the hottest players list. Doyley: WGR current rank of 11. Doyley: Hottest player rank of 58 (If you take out the Top 10 already on this list, then 51) Hmmmm.... Sorry, Doyley I gotta give ammo to the tin-foil crowd soon to wake up.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:39:50 GMT -5
Ooh, I know what I need to ask.
When determining where to place players in the new tour setup for Season 4, how do inactive players play in this? Some may have just given up on the new game and still rank somewhat high from tgc1 play.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:46:56 GMT -5
I really don’t want to be bouncing around. Would it be possible to commit to the elite tour if you made it there for the season if you wanted to?
Also, who would qualify for the majors apart from the guys on the elite tour (it’s what everyone is calling it, might as well embrace it)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:47:42 GMT -5
How will Q-School card determination be changed? Will PGA+ be ineligible?
If so, will all tours below PGA+ be available out of the gate, or will Euro be the cap or even Web?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:47:44 GMT -5
I did notice the irony of the Top 10 WGR automatically getting into PGA+ and then the top 40 on the hottest players list. Doyley: WGR current rank of 11. Doyley: Hottest player rank of 58 (If you take out the Top 10 already on this list, then 51) Hmmmm.... Sorry, Doyley I gotta give ammo to the tin-foil crowd soon to wake up. Lol. <Insert suspicious looking African kid here> |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:52:06 GMT -5
So this WILL change week to week over the last two events, but currently this would be the initial PGA+ roster:
1 Ian Sweeney
2 Bradley Garcia
3 Brian May
4 Mark Custard
5 Jack Oliver
6 Rob Dallas
7 Brian Murphy
8 Matthew Lazell
9 JT Current
10 Regis Fretto
20 Steve Sloan
50 Matt Comley
26 Chris Hrabec
37 John Yates
39 Steven Garrity
55 Gavin McCabe
105 Scott Fulton
30 John Santorella
21 Albert Fargo
52 Kenny Woolley
72 Mark Russell
32 John Stenson
44 Trevor Scott
12 Nathan Bedell
131 John Large
109 Ola Ericsson
18 Jim Brown
34 Bob Balzhiser
79 Justin Smedley
124 Anthony McDonald
60 Andy Barell
14 Ryan Hammond
35 Daniel Blanton
74 Ray Morgan
87 CJ Doane
59 Paul Fernnihough
113 Kevin O'Neall
24 Nathan Allen
45 Damon Lowenberger
48 Ron Duncan
64 John Ives
54 Pavel Kuncicky
38 Josh Cassiday
183 Mark Guzza
184 Mitch Barnett
25 Andi Smith
23 Daxon Blaze
135 Mitch Kiser
62 Craig Archer
31 Lee Some
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Post by theviciousvicar on Sept 25, 2017 23:52:35 GMT -5
I know as a new member I havn,t been here long enough to have any meaningful input but I like the idea of the league structure if you like of TGCT, as a European I,ll take it on the chin that the euro tour will be div 3, but if you asked a lot of todays euro tour golfers, they,d all love to play on the pga tour so I don,t see it as an insult.
However strange it is though, the web.com is not the feeder into the euro tour, it,s the European challenge tour, but again you guys at admin do a brilliant job, but can the challenge tours be renamed to reflect some of the feeder tours, i.e, cc-a (European challenge tour), cc-b (McKenzie tour) and so on, to me it just adds a bit of real life.
If this is possible then great but if its to much work, again I,d understand.
As for the club issue, PGA+ and PGA tours (tour clubs), euro and web (tour or player) and any set for the others
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:53:15 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a month long q school to determine who goes in what tour as would someonw who was classified a hot player from a good finish at St. Andrews have made the cut at Widows Cliffs? Probably would have been a pain in the Balzhisers to do though.
Why not allow whatever club set you want except for the Elite/PGA+ Tour, at least it would settle the argument as to are Player clubs too easy?
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Post by Lowenberger on Sept 25, 2017 23:55:12 GMT -5
Might be a bit slow - how do the promotion mechanics from PGA to PGA+ work? Personally think I'm in favour of the change just for something to freshen up the tours. out of the gate it'll only be based off Hottest Players/Last 5 weeks (200+ points) Might be a bit too high but since the last 4 weeks of Season 3 will include WGC/Major points I needed to start it high - will likely adjust as needed. Starting Jan 8th, we'll add in WGR ranking of Top 50 as well. This will keep the PGA Tour relatively stable while only promoting players that will compete on the higher tour. I envision the PGA+ to be very competitive with regards to getting/clearing demotion strikes. I think anyone on the PGA+ can get a top 25 in any given tournament so there's a good chance you'll get strikes and clear them multiple times. My ideal field size won't drop below 50 so I'll do my best to keep it stocked at least that much. I don't want the field size to grow any larger than 70 if possible. Sorry, do you mean that whenever someone jumps into the hottest players/top 50 WGR, they automatically go to PGA+? Or does it only happen when someone from PGA+ is demoted, that the top ranked person on the hottest player moves up? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 0:05:28 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a month long q school to determine who goes in what tour as would someonw who was classified a hot player from a good finish at St. Andrews have made the cut at Widows Cliffs? Probably would have been a pain in the Balzhisers to do though. Why not allow whatever club set you want except for the Elite/PGA+ Tour, at least it would settle the argument as to are Player clubs too easy? I think that since the "new" PGA feeding into the "new" PGA+ would kind of be a tour of players that have been mostly active.. and they have been using Tour only since the "current" PGA and Euro can only use them, then it makes sense that they keep this club restriction. Also, the fact that PGA member should, in theory, strive to become PGA+ members, then they should be preparing for Tour clubs anyways by having to use them. The immediate tour below (the "new" Euro) is the one I could agree with either way, and keeping Web as is seems to make sense. |
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