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Post by SmilingGoats on Sept 25, 2017 21:25:57 GMT -5
Just what is wrong with the current setup? The problem with the current setup is that there is too much variance in talent between the top and bottom of each of the PGA and Euro tours. People aren't competing against like talent and while that may be fine for the top 10% of each tour, it isn't fun for the people that are just hoping to make a cut every week. Take the top 300-400 players and instead of all of them competing against everyone in that group, they'll be competing against the segment of that population that is nearest to them in skill level. The score groupings will be tighter and therefore more interesting and fun. |
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Post by CJtrueblue on Sept 25, 2017 21:32:38 GMT -5
I know a lot of you elite players don't really think about the guy in 40th place that is 25 shots behind you on the leaderboard but I do have to.  Thought I told you to quit talkin bout me  |
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Post by Mick on Sept 25, 2017 21:34:36 GMT -5
I know it's likely to never happen (due to time scheduling) but i would actually enjoy watching a live stream event of the top players in a major. I think these new changes are very welcome, always nice to open things up a bit for some by adding a new tier.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 21:35:10 GMT -5
Streamlining the site for admin was part of it, balancing the tours was the other part. Not sure which tiny group you are referring to - please elaborate and I can answer further. Look at it this way ... right now you have 10 flights. You want to make 11 flights. Why? I explained the reasoning a few posts above
Also, right now you have a Euro flight that emulates the real life Euro Tour. Same for Web. Now, you want to create some kind of elite tour that emulates nothing, and eliminate the Euro Tour (while keeping the name) and reduce the Web status. Why? I explained the reasoning a few posts aboveWho will this benefit? mainly players ranked 60-400 in WGR although I think the top 60 will enjoy the competition and challenge of avoiding demotion strikes week in/week out
Just what is wrong with the current setup? explained a few posts above by Jeff |
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 25, 2017 21:37:11 GMT -5
TGCTours Presents the Drunken Legends of the Master Elitist and the other whiners from the previously known Euro Tour Tour.
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Sept 25, 2017 21:43:39 GMT -5
Can we assume mandatory Tour mode difficulty level for PGA+, PGA, and Euro? Still discussing this. Be interesting to hear people's thoughts on how it's working so far. Personally I'd like to go: PGA+: Tour only PGA/Euro/Web: all clubs Sorry but ANYTHING beyond web I think should be mandatory tour clubs if you wanna play on the big tours do it at the highest difficulty.... Just my 2 cents but just don't agree with the ease of use with player clubs. |
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Post by yaters on Sept 25, 2017 21:48:33 GMT -5
Curious Doyley and SmilingGoats, right now there are Fed Ex and Race to Dubhai (sp?) points for PGA and Euro respectively. What will be used now for these tours and the super Elite Legend Tour? Appreciate you guys explaining the rationale. I think you'll get a lot of 'Trophies for Everyone' comments. My own experience, just making it to PGA was my goal. Once I did I felt way out of my league. I just had a goal of making more cuts than I missed. I never had a chance to win, unless it was a minor event. BUT, that didn't honestly bother me. I still had a way to measure my performance against the best. A ton of guys are not playing any more or couldn't figure out the new game enough to want to continue. The fields really feel much weaker now than a year ago. Look no further than PGA this week! Not complaining about the decision, and I realize the points about admin time (something I don't often consider). And it is probably right to do this to begin Season 4. But...feels a bit soon considering movement hasn't really settled the different flights yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:57:20 GMT -5
I guess it's time for someone to speak up and say, "Great Change!" I respectfully disagree with the notion that winning anything less than the highest tour would be meaningless. I'm one of the players who's WGR ranking has been in the 90-110 and I've competed for a win once in a minor Euro event one time in two years. Other than that, hardly a top 50. Knowing that if I can elevate my game a bit and be within sight of a win will be awesome. For those that say competing to simply make a cut each week should be satisfying enough, it's not the same as seeing your name high on the leaderboard with a chance at a win. And this isn't about giving everyone a participation trophy. It's about making the tours more competitive top to bottom. I was frankly ready to stop playing , but with this change I can't wait for Season 3 to start! Bravo TGC admin!!
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 22:02:45 GMT -5
Curious Doyley and SmilingGoats , right now there are Fed Ex and Race to Dubhai (sp?) points for PGA and Euro respectively. What will be used now for these tours and the super Elite Legend Tour? Still have to sit down with some real smart people and figure the nuts/bolts of the playoffs out - haven't been about to give it enough thought to make sure all angles are looked at.Appreciate you guys explaining the rationale. I think you'll get a lot of 'Trophies for Everyone' comments. My own experience, just making it to PGA was my goal. Once I did I felt way out of my league. I just had a goal of making more cuts than I missed. I never had a chance to win, unless it was a minor event. BUT, that didn't honestly bother me. I still had a way to measure my performance against the best. I think the main difference between the old and the new - in the new you'll still be fighting for cuts (there are a lot of good players, not a lot of elite) but the leader won't be 20 shots ahead of the cutline, he may only be 10 which gives everyone a fighting chance of catching the top of the leaderboard.A ton of guys are not playing any more or couldn't figure out the new game enough to want to continue. The fields really feel much weaker now than a year ago. Look no further than PGA this week! Not complaining about the decision, and I realize the points about admin time (something I don't often consider). And it is probably right to do this to begin Season 4. But...feels a bit soon considering movement hasn't really settled the different flights yet. One of the main reasons the last 5 events had larger WGR points - unfortunately my plan of only using the last 6 TGC1 courses wasn't something we were able to implement properly - if we could it would have resorted the WGR much quicker for the PGA/Euro tours. Also why I'm now putting more weight on the Hottest players list than WGR when sorting the PGA+ tour. |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 22:08:21 GMT -5
I guess it's time for someone to speak up and say, "Great Change!" I respectfully disagree with the notion that winning anything less than the highest tour would be meaningless. I'm one of the players who's WGR ranking has been in the 90-110 and I've competed for a win once in a minor Euro event one time in two years. Other than that, hardly a top 50. Knowing that if I can elevate my game a bit and be within sight of a win will be awesome. For those that say competing to simply make a cut each week should be satisfying enough, it's not the same as seeing your name high on the leaderboard with a chance at a win. And this isn't about giving everyone a participation trophy. It's about making the tours more competitive top to bottom. I was frankly ready to stop playing , but with this change I can't wait for Season 3 to start! Bravo TGC 2 Admin!! Thanks - and I know there are many more like you that are out there. PS - Season 3 has already started  Season 4 is up next...we've been around a long time! |
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 25, 2017 22:29:43 GMT -5
Great changes IMO... Love this idea.. It puts the best against the best and evens things out in the tours below.. I vote keeping Tour Clubs anything above Web..
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Post by Lowenberger on Sept 25, 2017 23:01:57 GMT -5
Might be a bit slow - how do the promotion mechanics from PGA to PGA+ work?
Personally think I'm in favour of the change just for something to freshen up the tours.
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Post by Lowenberger on Sept 25, 2017 23:06:13 GMT -5
Curious Doyley and SmilingGoats , right now there are Fed Ex and Race to Dubhai (sp?) points for PGA and Euro respectively. What will be used now for these tours and the super Elite Legend Tour? Appreciate you guys explaining the rationale. I think you'll get a lot of 'Trophies for Everyone' comments. My own experience, just making it to PGA was my goal. Once I did I felt way out of my league. I just had a goal of making more cuts than I missed. I never had a chance to win, unless it was a minor event. BUT, that didn't honestly bother me. I still had a way to measure my performance against the best. A ton of guys are not playing any more or couldn't figure out the new game enough to want to continue. The fields really feel much weaker now than a year ago. Look no further than PGA this week! Not complaining about the decision, and I realize the points about admin time (something I don't often consider). And it is probably right to do this to begin Season 4. But...feels a bit soon considering movement hasn't really settled the different flights yet. Sunday - Yaters wins PGA tour event Monday - Doyley announces PGA is now a secondary tour Coincidence? |
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 25, 2017 23:07:10 GMT -5
I really love the idea too. I'm probably destined for the Euro Tour and then demotions from there with the way I've been playing, and it would be nice to actually compete for something.
It's been since Feb 2016 that I've even entertained the thought of winning an event. I had pretty much lost all motivation to play tour rounds in S3.
I don't think any club sets should be mandatory. People are going to play the Tour clubs anyway if they want to win anything. Player clubs can't compete with good Tour club players, especially as course design rewards tour clubs' distance. It's pretty much been proven across the CC and web tours. Doesn't really matter to me - I'll use tour clubs and go for wins. Figure I will probably get better over time.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 23:07:34 GMT -5
Might be a bit slow - how do the promotion mechanics from PGA to PGA+ work? Personally think I'm in favour of the change just for something to freshen up the tours. out of the gate it'll only be based off Hottest Players/Last 5 weeks (200+ points) Might be a bit too high but since the last 4 weeks of Season 3 will include WGC/Major points I needed to start it high - will likely adjust as needed. Starting Jan 8th, we'll add in WGR ranking of Top 50 as well. This will keep the PGA Tour relatively stable while only promoting players that will compete on the higher tour. I envision the PGA+ to be very competitive with regards to getting/clearing demotion strikes. I think anyone on the PGA+ can get a top 25 in any given tournament so there's a good chance you'll get strikes and clear them multiple times. My ideal field size won't drop below 50 so I'll do my best to keep it stocked at least that much. I don't want the field size to grow any larger than 70 if possible. |
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