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Post by jeromeg52 on Sept 25, 2017 20:54:49 GMT -5
I don't understand why this change is being made. Was there some kind of groundswell of opinion from the 1000+ players? I don't think so. Seems more like a very tiny group want a very different TGC Tours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 20:56:09 GMT -5
It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can win a trophy.
Do people want to win, or do they want to be the best?
Having thought about it a little more - I’m not sure that sacrificing the guys from WGR 5 - 70 to the guys that will dominate week in week out is such a great idea. It seems the only purpose is so that guys ranked around 80, then again ranked around 200, can win a trophy.
This makes any tour below the elite tour meaningless.
‘Yeah I won the pebble beach invitiational on the PGA tour that the top 70 guys aren’t allowed to play on because the top 5 are too good’
Both sides of the argument carry weight, but it’s sucks to be just below the best. It seems we’re the ones copping a bullet so these new fantasy leagues can call themselves the PGA and Euro tour.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 20:57:07 GMT -5
Just remember that I do cater to the entire TGCT member-base - while this affects a lot of you, it also affects hundreds of others that may not even be forum members. I know a lot of you elite players don't really think about the guy in 40th place that is 25 shots behind you on the leaderboard but I do have to.  |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 21:04:30 GMT -5
It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can win a trophy. Do people want to win, or do they want to be the best? Having thought about it a little more - I’m not sure that sacrificing the guys from WGR 5 - 70 to the guys that will dominate week in week out is such a great idea. It seems the only purpose is so that guys ranked around 80, then again ranked around 200, can win a trophy. This makes any tour below the elite tour meaningless. ‘Yeah I won the pebble beach invitiational on the PGA tour that the top 70 guys aren’t allowed to play on because the top 5 are too good’ Both sides of the argument carry weight, but it’s sucks to be just below the best. It seems we’re the ones copping a bullet so these new fantasy leagues can call themselves the PGA and Euro tour. Don't really agree with what you're saying here. The current form of our tours basically keeps 175 members of the PGA/Euro tours from remotely competing. Having talked to a few of the players that would fall into the PGA/Euro tours - it was pretty much the same response - they'd like to be able to compete even knowing they weren't winning the best trophy out there. WGR is still king and if you want to be ranked in the top 50 - playing on the PGA Tour won't cut it - you'll want to get promoted to the PGA+ to climb up to the top tier of WGR ranking and ensure your spot in all Majors and WGC events. If you said: "It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can compete" then I'd agree. But it's definitely not only about winning a trophy. |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 21:08:52 GMT -5
I don't understand why this change is being made. Was there some kind of groundswell of opinion from the 1000+ players? I don't think so. Seems more like a very tiny group want a very different TGC Tours. Streamlining the site for admin was part of it, balancing the tours was the other part. Not sure which tiny group you are referring to - please elaborate and I can answer further. |
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Post by jeromeg52 on Sept 25, 2017 21:09:15 GMT -5
It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can win a trophy. Do people want to win, or do they want to be the best? Having thought about it a little more - I’m not sure that sacrificing the guys from WGR 5 - 70 to the guys that will dominate week in week out is such a great idea. It seems the only purpose is so that guys ranked around 80, then again ranked around 200, can win a trophy. This makes any tour below the elite tour meaningless. ‘Yeah I won the pebble beach invitiational on the PGA tour that the top 70 guys aren’t allowed to play on because the top 5 are too good’ Both sides of the argument carry weight, but it’s sucks to be just below the best. It seems we’re the ones copping a bullet so these new fantasy leagues can call themselves the PGA and Euro tour. Don't really agree with what you're saying here. The current form of our tours basically keeps 175 members of the PGA/Euro tours from remotely competing. Having talked to a few of the players that would fall into the PGA/Euro tours - it was pretty much the same response - they'd like to be able to compete even knowing they weren't winning the best trophy out there. WGR is still king and if you want to be ranked in the top 50 - playing on the PGA Tour won't cut it - you'll want to get promoted to the PGA+ to climb up to the top tier of WGR ranking and ensure your spot in all Majors and WGC events. If you said: "It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can compete" then I'd agree. But it's definitely not only about winning a trophy. Any chance you put this off for a year? SaveSave |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 21:10:39 GMT -5
Can we assume mandatory Tour mode difficulty level for PGA+, PGA, and Euro? Still discussing this. Be interesting to hear people's thoughts on how it's working so far. Personally I'd like to go: PGA+: Tour only PGA/Euro/Web: all clubs |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 25, 2017 21:11:33 GMT -5
Any chance you put this off for a year? no, plans are in place to have it ready for start of S4 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:14:23 GMT -5
I see your point about more people competing for the win each week this way, but it just means that WGR 5-70 have been sacrificed to make it happen, and it costs us realism.
We have 4 or 5 Tigers. Is it the end of the world if they win every week on the top 2 tours?
Just my 2 cents. I’d rather the site survive than you guys be burnt out though - and will play as well as I can. I’d rather be on the elite tour than win a trophy on a secondary tour - but I don’t think everyone will be the same. The same guys that lingered in Web will now linger in Euro or PGA.
As always - regardless of whether I agree with what you do or not, I appreciate you doing it 👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:16:22 GMT -5
Re clubs - Tour only from Web up. If you need to use player clubs there’s amateur leagues.
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Post by jeromeg52 on Sept 25, 2017 21:17:39 GMT -5
I don't understand why this change is being made. Was there some kind of groundswell of opinion from the 1000+ players? I don't think so. Seems more like a very tiny group want a very different TGC Tours. Streamlining the site for admin was part of it, balancing the tours was the other part. Not sure which tiny group you are referring to - please elaborate and I can answer further. Look at it this way ... right now you have 10 flights. You want to make 11 flights. Why? Also, right now you have a Euro flight that emulates the real life Euro Tour. Same for Web. Now, you want to create some kind of elite tour that emulates nothing, and eliminate the Euro Tour (while keeping the name) and reduce the Web status. Why? Who will this benefit? Just what is wrong with the current setup? SaveSave |
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Post by jeromeg52 on Sept 25, 2017 21:18:53 GMT -5
Re clubs - Tour only from Web up. If you need to use player clubs there’s amateur leagues. Agree most emphatically. SaveSave |
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Post by mrohde4 on Sept 25, 2017 21:21:41 GMT -5
It seems like we’re giving up realism so that more people can win a trophy. Do people want to win, or do they want to be the best? Having thought about it a little more - I’m not sure that sacrificing the guys from WGR 5 - 70 to the guys that will dominate week in week out is such a great idea. It seems the only purpose is so that guys ranked around 80, then again ranked around 200, can win a trophy. This makes any tour below the elite tour meaningless. ‘Yeah I won the pebble beach invitiational on the PGA tour that the top 70 guys aren’t allowed to play on because the top 5 are too good’ Both sides of the argument carry weight, but it’s sucks to be just below the best. It seems we’re the ones copping a bullet so these new fantasy leagues can call themselves the PGA and Euro tour. +1. I’ll blindly follow the admins into the pits of hell, but this move was a bit premature imho. The game is still brand new with greater scoring variation, and the learning curves/sustainability is still unknown. Guys who normally finish between 40-90 each week always compete with the cut line and demotion. Those two benchmarks are just as meaningful to many players as winning a virtual trophy. In the end we are competing against ourselves and the courses, but we shall see! |
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Post by CuseHokie on Sept 25, 2017 21:23:44 GMT -5
Can we assume mandatory Tour mode difficulty level for PGA+, PGA, and Euro? Still discussing this. Be interesting to hear people's thoughts on how it's working so far. Personally I'd like to go: PGA+: Tour only PGA/Euro/Web: all clubs I think mandating clubs is moot because I doubt the best players club user will ever realistically beat a + player. I do think the PGA society should consider taking a few aids away. Things like wind could be easily adjusted (not seeing exact). |
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Post by mrohde4 on Sept 25, 2017 21:25:55 GMT -5
Re clubs - Tour only from Web up. If you need to use player clubs there’s amateur leagues. +1,000,000 |
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