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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 11, 2019 10:48:59 GMT -5
In an odd way, the left could allow Trump to go through with the "national emergency" thing, then when they get the next Democrat in office, he could use the same reasoning to launch some gun control/gun bans. People in Chicago, Oakland, and other cities would make great arguments supporting the national emergency view in a much more realistic world view. So, maybe this is the compromise needed to get to sensible gun control here. I get what you're saying, but no. That's a terribly autocratic precedent to set, and it's not anything I want our government to be doing, that's not democracy. Yep .... but that's where Trump takes this if he goes that route. He sets the precedent. What others do with it moving forward is the question. It's probably also the only way America gets any kind of real gun control. Even if "national security emergency" is used just to get universal background checks done regardless of seller/buyer/location (start high = gun bans, make a deal lower = background checks/Assault weapons) ..... the precedent would be there. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jan 11, 2019 11:34:40 GMT -5
That's a frightening idea. In the past, we've relied on the conscience of people to hold fast to our ideals. That has been eroded so much that we are going to have to legislate everything. We are going to descend into a quagmire of litigation and legal posturing that will paralyze the entire populace.
Two years isn't soon enough.
As far as Mitch McConnell, it's too bad there isn't a hell for that guy. Pure, disingenuous evil driven by warped disinformation.
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Post by cliffs on Jan 11, 2019 12:09:26 GMT -5
My 2 Donald luvin son in laws have started to crack.....one of them told me that DT has always been a jerk and voted for him only because of Hillary. The other (as he did when Bush invaded Iraq) has come aroound and admitted DT is most definitely a complete tool box. He agrees there are some tools missing.
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Post by joegolferg on Jan 11, 2019 14:38:13 GMT -5
Ocasio-Cortez, rocking the Democratic boat and trying to change the party from within, is giving me life. ☺
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Post by paulus on Jan 11, 2019 15:04:46 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 11, 2019 16:44:24 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed. Here is the real killer.... some of those government employees need to maintain good credit standing as part of their qualification for their jobs. If they don't, they could get fired. No joke. |
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Post by cliffs on Jan 11, 2019 17:44:44 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed. Here is the real killer.... some of those government employees need to maintain good credit standing as part of their qualification for their jobs. If they don't, they could get fired. No joke. One of my son in laws is in that very predicament...he is the budget officer for a local fed agency. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 11, 2019 17:52:48 GMT -5
Here is the real killer.... some of those government employees need to maintain good credit standing as part of their qualification for their jobs. If they don't, they could get fired. No joke. One of my son in laws is in that very predicament...he is the budget officer for a local fed agency. Ouch. That's terrible. Let's hope common sense prevails on Monday. Won't happen over the weekend because Congress took their paychecks and went home for the weekend. I know some are trying to play along by sending checks back or donating to charity which is admirable but none of that pays the rent, puts food on the table, gets fuel in the gas tank for the people who are not getting paid for work they have already done. The most irritating thing of all of this is that there was a deal on the Traitor's desk. A deal he had said he would sign. A bipartisan agreement. Then the Traitor decided to take hostages instead. I defer to the thread title. |
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Post by karma4u on Jan 11, 2019 21:34:52 GMT -5
Mitch could have the Senate override any veto if he wanted. Sadly, Mitch has no spine.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 15, 2019 17:03:54 GMT -5
Yo, UK peeps, well that was quite the vote... over 400 was way more than expected.
Think you should have the country re-vote on the Brexit move again?
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Post by paulus on Jan 15, 2019 20:30:00 GMT -5
Yes. But I'm only in the majority, so it won't happen  The Tories will survive the vote of no confidence tomorrow and the Maybot will limp on like some demented dancing queen Brexit terminator. We're @!$#ed. I think we may be stumbling blindly into a no deal Brexit which will see us operate on WTO rules with the EU... our biggest trade partner by far  Fun times. |
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 16, 2019 2:31:48 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed.
LOL no. It is not a small elite causing the problem. 40% of the country approves of this and his approval ratings go up after his more racist moments like Charlottesville.
The country has millions upon millions of people who support him because of the most deplorable policies
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Post by joegolferg on Jan 16, 2019 5:05:57 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed.
LOL no. It is not a small elite causing the problem. 40% of the country approves of this and his approval ratings go up after his more racist moments like Charlottesville.
The country has millions upon millions of people who support him because of the most deplorable policies
On the grand scale of things it is the small, wealthy elite who are THE biggest problem. We've almost hit peak Marx. He predicted that corps would eventually monopolize industries and society would become totalitarian disguised as free market capitalism. This is where we're at in 2019. |
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 16, 2019 6:58:24 GMT -5
Well Joe, I am not going to agree with you on this.
The last time Democrats were in power for 2 years we got the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and other protections against corporate excess. Then the tea party came and Americans decided they wanted to roll all of that back because they bought into a lie about regulation killing the economy.
The USA has effective antitraust laws and one party that would use them if in power. The problems is stupid racists who ingest propaganda all day and then vote for the other guys. Certain Internet businesses have characteristics that make them winner take all, but this is the nature of the technology it is not evidence that the leaders of those companies are the problem in our society.
The idea that USA is somehow close to a marxist revolution is just not in line with how people actually act and vote in the country.
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Post by paulus on Jan 16, 2019 7:22:02 GMT -5
Just been listening to UK radio - a US woman phoned in to talk about the shutdown and how it's affecting her family - sounded terrible - having to deal with creditors etc. Her husband is a lifeguard - still doing 4 day weeks... without pay. That's your country right there - largely populated by selfless and amazing human beings, weighed down by a small elite in both govt & corps that are driven by nothing but greed.
LOL no. It is not a small elite causing the problem. 40% of the country approves of this and his approval ratings go up after his more racist moments like Charlottesville.
The country has millions upon millions of people who support him because of the most deplorable policies
I obviously understand the point you make. You think they are directly to blame, my response is ... yes.... but that's not really the underlying cause. Weak willed & undereducated people are very susceptible to projections of power in leaders - their voting patterns are being driven by a small number of elites deliberately whipping up a right wing nationalist fervour in pursuit of their own agenda. This is evidenced the world over atm, not just the US - even countries with a historical low levels of inherent racism are exhibiting this drift to the right. I don't blame the populace, I blame the people controlling them. You can argue that those people should grow a spine and stop being controlled - I'd argue that every population has a good percentage of poorly educated - you can't blame them for acting on false information they can barely comprehend let alone understand the true consequences of. Blame the game, not the player. |
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