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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 20, 2018 21:55:16 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure most of you feel secure in the knowledge that Donald is heeding the advice given him by Coulter and Limbaugh. It is true, conservative pundits carry more weight with the traitor than people with actual inside knowledge of various situations and theaters. Evidently they all know more than the generals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 1:24:17 GMT -5
Anyone else think it was Putin he was listening to when he decided to pull out of Syria?
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 21, 2018 4:07:27 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂
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Post by cliffs on Dec 21, 2018 6:29:33 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 I have been against any and all these wars in that area (including Africa). A-stan was a huge mistake and history repeats itself in that country over and over. (ask the Russians) I guess the GOP would rather kill our boys and line their pockets rather than just let them keep killing each other. But like Obama getting hammered for early withdrawal, I'm afraid it is too late to have hoped Donnie would have done it a number of times.
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Post by paulus on Dec 21, 2018 6:44:33 GMT -5
A-stan was a huge mistake and history repeats itself in that country over and over. (ask the Russians) Not just that Country Cliff.... if we've learned one thing from history, it's that we never learn anything from history. I'd also rather western allies be out of all the wars in far flung places. That's not to say that I think we shouldn't be making our influence felt in these countries - but I don't think we should have occupying forces and remote drones killing their civilians along with "justified military targets".
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 21, 2018 8:31:12 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 What happens to those places when we do? Honestly question, no condescension implied.
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Post by cliffs on Dec 21, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 What happens to those places when we do? Honestly question, no condescension implied. They go back to THEIR way of living. You know, the way it was before the USA was even a blip on the world map. Just like missionaries pushing religion at pagans, why do we think we need to change people's beliefs? Imagine if Russia or China decided that the USA way of life should not be and they attack us to change us to their way of living...do you think we as a country would sit back and say, oh sure invade us, we welcome you with open arms?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:04:55 GMT -5
It’d be polite to leave the place at least as stable as it was before you got involved.
It’s not ridiculous to listen to his own advisers, it’s ridiculous to ignore them.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 21, 2018 9:29:03 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 What happens to those places when we do? Honestly question, no condescension implied. What happens to those places when you do withdraw? Vietnam is good example. They have their own independence to grow and prosper in which ever way they choose to. Have they ever become a threat since US troops were pulled out? Believe it or not, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya had and can have again, a functioning government that will take charge of their own land and run the state however they see fit. You went invaded Iraq and removed its government, then we saw ab extreme increase in terrorism not just in the ME, but around the world. You invaded Libya and removed its government, then we saw actual slaves being traded in absence of any kind of authority. What good have you actually done? And opening up the oil markets in those countries doesn't count 😉
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 21, 2018 9:39:15 GMT -5
To be clear, I have personally never invaded any nation ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 21, 2018 11:20:55 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 It's not good at all. It's horrible. Unless you are 1) for Kurds being slaughtered by Turkey and 2) creating another vacuum for ISIS. This is another movie we've seen before from Bush and Obama. Why would Trump's version be any different? It won't.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 21, 2018 11:27:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 I have been against any and all these wars in that area (including Africa). A-stan was a huge mistake and history repeats itself in that country over and over. (ask the Russians) I guess the GOP would rather kill our boys and line their pockets rather than just let them keep killing each other. But like Obama getting hammered for early withdrawal, I'm afraid it is too late to have hoped Donnie would have done it a number of times. Going to disagree on Afghanistan. That was the theater we needed to go to after 9/11. It was the recruiting and training grounds for Al Qaeda at the time. And it turns out, where we found and killed bin Laden. The decision to go into Iraq was a bad decision based on false facts made up to fix the policy to go to war from the Bush Admin (Downing Street memo for reference)
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 21, 2018 11:44:53 GMT -5
What happens to those places when we do? Honestly question, no condescension implied. What happens to those places when you do withdraw? Vietnam is good example. They have their own independence to grow and prosper in which ever way they choose to. Have they ever become a threat since US troops were pulled out? Believe it or not, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya had and can have again, a functioning government that will take charge of their own land and run the state however they see fit. You went invaded Iraq and removed its government, then we saw ab extreme increase in terrorism not just in the ME, but around the world. You invaded Libya and removed its government, then we saw actual slaves being traded in absence of any kind of authority. What good have you actually done? And opening up the oil markets in those countries doesn't count 😉 Kind of a false equivalent with Vietnam Joe. We were fighting against a government military backed by Russia and China. Terrorists groups are a completely different animal. There's no way to make the comparison you are trying to get to imo. What good have we done.... not as much as we could have. But we took out bin Laden (which is all i ever wanted from any Mid-East incursion - get HIM and get out). Of course, maybe bin Laden shouldn't have flown those planes into the WTC in the first place, killing over 3,000 people from around the world.
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Post by paulus on Dec 21, 2018 12:17:20 GMT -5
It’d be polite to leave the place at least as stable as it was before you got involved. It’s not ridiculous to listen to his own advisers, it’s ridiculous to ignore them. This is my only concern about the withdrawals. But not sure it’s possible - think we’re better off leaving without causing any further carnage.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 21, 2018 13:11:17 GMT -5
Am I the only one in here who thinks that withdrawal of US troops from Syria and Afghanistan is a good thing? 😂 It's not good at all. It's horrible. Unless you are 1) for Kurds being slaughtered by Turkey and 2) creating another vacuum for ISIS. This is another movie we've seen before from Bush and Obama. Why would Trump's version be any different? It won't. 1) Kurds were still being slaughtered by Turkey despite your presence. 2) We (the west) created the vacuums in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan by occupying those countries, do you really want to add another to that list? 3) The US military has bombed just as many, if not more, Syrian bases, airfields, towns and villages than they have ISIS targets.
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