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Post by firstblitzer on Jan 9, 2015 18:38:41 GMT -5
My point in the other thread isn't about winning every tournament. Its about the unfair advantage some players here have regarding playing in wind or not. Sitting around waiting for 3mph wind while everyone else is playing in 15 mph wind kinda tarnishes each tournament. Goals are great and all but when competitors are gaining unfair advantages it makes playing in these tournaments a waste of time. In my opinion at least. , there is going to be a day when the wind will not be able to be waited out, may as well get used to it now is their thoughts on the matter. So I believe it to be an assumption that the good score is coming from the lack of wind, and more based in hope then reality. LOL |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jan 9, 2015 19:17:03 GMT -5
Any player starting a round and then bailing out and waiting for the wind to die down is ultimately only cheating themselves (and the rest of us, but you get my point)
Once i hit "tee off" - I play. Saddens me that anyone would think any differently tbh
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Post by Wildrover on Jan 10, 2015 8:26:40 GMT -5
Well said that man, completely agree, as long as im competing against my friends and beat them on the leader board, especially  Tony McGettigan (tonyreddevil)lol, :Dthen beating anybody else is a bonus.
Enjoy the tournaments all, play your best but most importantly, HAVE FUN. Lol the feeling is of course mutual smiffy auld buddy, auld pal... Let the battles commence!!!lol.. In addition I'd like to add that my goals for the season will be to try n be n consistent throughout,make as many cuts as possible with anything thereafter being a bonus!!oh n to firmly wipe the smile off a certain liverpool fan's face....As i'm a man united fan this would naturally come as a great pleasure for me!!lol..(after his eagleton showin,I may need surgical assistance to remove any smile from his face anytime soon'lol. On a serious note, very well played smiffy my friend on a brill tourney in our maiden european voyage on tgc tours.. HAVE FUN ALL!! |
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Post by smoknpirate on Jan 10, 2015 10:33:12 GMT -5
I will never agree with the notion that the wind needs to be the same for everyone. It's not like that in real life and it doesn't need to be like that in a "simulation". In fact, it's much more realistic if the wind is different. 150 players don't tee off at the same time and in the same weather conditions. If I tee it up and it's blowing 20mph, I shoot 80 and miss the cut then it sucks for me, but I'll appreciate it for what it is. If there are those that start a round and then duck out because they don't think the wind is in their favor then they take this far more seriously than they should and are, in essence, cheating.
As far as goals..I'd love to play and make the cut in all 4 majors. Also, I want to have a course or two used on the tours. That would be like a victory to me.
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Post by bentfivewood on Jan 10, 2015 10:57:33 GMT -5
I will never agree with the notion that the wind needs to be the same for everyone. It's not like that in real life and it doesn't need to be like that in a "simulation". In fact, it's much more realistic if the wind is different. 150 players don't tee off at the same time and in the same weather conditions. If I tee it up and it's blowing 20mph, I shoot 80 and miss the cut then it sucks for me, but I'll appreciate it for what it is. If there are those that start a round and then duck out because they don't think the wind is in their favor then they take this far more seriously than they should and are, in essence, cheating. As far as goals..I'd love to play and make the cut in all 4 majors. Also, I want to have a course or two used on the tours. That would be like a victory to me. It's not cheating because we have not deemed it to be cheating. Unfortunately, there is no way to police people starting and dropping rounds in favour of better wind conditions. While not realistic, the easiest way to ensure that the leaderboard is an accurate reflection of performance is to have the ability to set weather conditions for a tournament. I do think that setting weather within a parameter that occurs randomly (like 6-12 mph) would be ideal, since it would still keep a small element of variability. |
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Post by smoknpirate on Jan 10, 2015 11:21:49 GMT -5
It's not cheating because we have not deemed it to be cheating. Unfortunately, there is no way to police people starting and dropping rounds in favour of better wind conditions. But if you could police it would you deem it cheating? |
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Post by bentfivewood on Jan 10, 2015 11:33:01 GMT -5
It's not cheating because we have not deemed it to be cheating. Unfortunately, there is no way to police people starting and dropping rounds in favour of better wind conditions. But if you could police it would you deem it cheating? No. Because there would have no ability to determine it was because of wind. I've had my kids interrupt me to use the computer or had to stop a round for issues unrelated to the game. |
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Post by smoknpirate on Jan 10, 2015 11:42:44 GMT -5
Fair enough. Doesn't change my opinion that if they're dropping a round solely due to wind conditions it is fundamentally cheating. Regardless of whether you can police it. But, again, I'm playing it for the enjoyment of the competition. My core focus in the game is course design. For other people it's playing and finishing high in tournaments.
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Post by bentfivewood on Jan 10, 2015 12:09:54 GMT -5
Fair enough. Doesn't change my opinion that if they're dropping a round solely due to wind conditions it is fundamentally cheating. Regardless of whether you can police it. But, again, I'm playing it for the enjoyment of the competition. My core focus in the game is course design. For other people it's playing and finishing high in tournaments. I should clarify that my second post reflects my personal opinion and not the official TGCTours position. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Jan 10, 2015 12:48:32 GMT -5
Well I just completed Q school this morning and my goal is to never shoot an 11 on a hole again! lol! Wow #6 on that last course (forgot the name because I am trying to blot it from my memory) just ate me up! Cheers everyone! Champions card here I come! |
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jan 10, 2015 14:36:24 GMT -5
Fair enough. Doesn't change my opinion that if they're dropping a round solely due to wind conditions it is fundamentally cheating. Regardless of whether you can police it. But, again, I'm playing it for the enjoyment of the competition. My core focus in the game is course design. For other people it's playing and finishing high in tournaments. It's only cheating if you break a rule according to the definition of cheating and there is no rule against it so therefore it is not cheating  |
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Post by JoeOP on Jan 10, 2015 18:52:12 GMT -5
Fair enough. Doesn't change my opinion that if they're dropping a round solely due to wind conditions it is fundamentally cheating. Regardless of whether you can police it. But, again, I'm playing it for the enjoyment of the competition. My core focus in the game is course design. For other people it's playing and finishing high in tournaments. It's only cheating if you break a rule according to the definition of cheating and there is no rule against it so therefore it is not cheating Its more along the lines of unethical and they should feel bad about themselves. |
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Post by smoknpirate on Jan 10, 2015 19:44:45 GMT -5
It's only cheating if you break a rule according to the definition of cheating and there is no rule against it so therefore it is not cheating Its more along the lines of unethical and they should feel bad about themselves. Some people have no conscience... |
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Post by Orion on Jan 10, 2015 22:22:38 GMT -5
Didn't mean to imply that you are the only one who has an issue with it, only that you were there one that was referencing it in this thread. Again...not something we can fix. So either play, wait, or don't. I'm not sure what other options there are. And just in case you weren't aware (not trolling here), but using the draw/fade option on your shots can basically negate any wind up to 15-16 mph without really shrinking the shot cone. I find that 1 block left or right, even with the driver, still produces a large enough zone to hit mostly good shots and can negate basically any wind. If you don't want to shrink it that much, draw/fade half and then aim left or right to compensate for the other half. You'd be amazed how straight the ball flies even with heavy winds using this technique. Sound advice and very true. Having learned this way to try and negate the wind is touch and go, experiment and take the mental notes. Your thread has justified my attempts to become a better player and reach one of my goals to not be in the bottom of the Champion's Leaderboard every week. Last tournament, I finished Rd. 1, 2nd from the bottom; Rd 2, the winds were aggressive, but fading/drawing my shots actually worked well and I moved up on the leaderboard. Hard part is trying to find out how much of the boxes to play with. |
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Post by SAM on Jan 11, 2015 2:46:29 GMT -5
<<Ticks off completed goal: Achieve back to back under par rounds>>
<<Ticks off completed goal: Make the cut in a tourney>>
<<Ticks off completed goal: Have fun>>
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Tony McGettigan (tonyreddevil)lol, :Dthen beating anybody else is a bonus. 
