JoeOP
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Post by JoeOP on Jun 28, 2017 10:09:11 GMT -5
how would the clubs be enforced? there is no option in the game to restrict club type in tourneys. im in the camp that the competitor should be able to use whatever clubs they want. the folks who master the tour clubs are going to the dominant players on tour. I believe somewhere Doyley mentioned seeing the returns from the test events in the Societies to see if it is included in the API data. Kind of like how they check for dead straight shooters. well i guess thats how it would be enforced then. whatever, ill be using tours - love them 320+ bombs. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 28, 2017 10:11:17 GMT -5
I will quit the tours if forced to use the Tour swing. I think many people feel this way.
I think what we are seeing is a balance issue. The Player Clubs are too forgiving. This is feedback we need to give to HB.
We're also playing on courses specifically designed around TGC1 distances. Those courses are eminently playable for the Player swing. Let's see some courses where if you can't hit 280, then you have to bail out and take the long route. Let's see some courses with enormous fairways that reduce the penalty of hitting a bad shot on Tour clubs.
The club set is not a difficulty setting. Let's stop pretending it is.
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Post by Friz on Jun 28, 2017 10:13:45 GMT -5
I'm not a top level player - only in the CCAM camp - but I started playing with Tour clubs from the beginning and haven't even tried Player, let alone Standard(?). Like many others have said, I find the balance between risk/reward refreshing... every shot can be a nail biter, particularly with the more difficult courses (let alone target golf courses). From my perspective this debate comes down to balance really. If a player using Player clubs (or Standard) doesn't really gain any advantage over one using Tour clubs, then letting players choose their clubs seems fine to me. However, if there is an advantage to be gained, then I'd be firmly in the camp of restricting club selection to make the playing field (per Tour mind you) even. From what some in this thread have suggested, it looks like the Player clubs offer such an advantage (and this is based upon comments, not experience, as I haven't used Player clubs at all). Ultimately, my only real concern is to make sure that the competition is fair and even at each Tour level. I admit that I do think that Tour clubs offer a much more "realistic" golf experience in TGC2 (for risk/reward), as it forces the player to consider the entire golf course and shot placement for every shot... but I also realize that not everyone is looking for that same level of risk/reward experience... and that, I think, is the real crux of the issue. I absolutely agree with this. I'm assuming Players clubs are putting up better scores right now because Tour clubs are more difficult to get used to...but if in a few weeks/months Players clubs are widely considered the "scoring" club I hope there would be a way to enforce Tour. Tour clubs feels like golf...making a mistake and needing to recover is as much a part of golf as crushing a long drive and going for it in two on a par 5. I certainly hope Tour clubs will rise to the top eventually, as a good round with Tour should trump a good round with Players clubs, but the variability in shot results is really what makes Tour clubs great. |
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Post by Lowenberger on Jun 28, 2017 10:15:24 GMT -5
Agreed with Tour clubs for top tours. I would be more concerned with how different the game plays on different systems. I bought it for PS4 and PC, and it is truly a different game on Tour setting for me. On PS4, the frame rate is so poor on some courses it is impossible to get perfect/perfect, because the golfer's backswing lags so much. On my mid-spec gaming PC using the SAME controller, I get great FPS, perfect/perfect 90% of the time, the occasional hook from a fast downswing but generally shots are quite straight and land beautifully. As soon as I started playing on PC, I felt like I was cheating compared to PS. This is my biggest concern as well - from the few rounds on xbox, game seems a little laggy, which was ok on the old game, but with the new swing, might be a big disadvantage (and I'm not convinced HB has the resources to properly test/balance this. Might have to move over to PC if my poor PC can handle it. |
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Post by casimir on Jun 28, 2017 10:16:34 GMT -5
Agreed with Tour clubs for top tours. I would be more concerned with how different the game plays on different systems. I bought it for PS4 and PC, and it is truly a different game on Tour setting for me. On PS4, the frame rate is so poor on some courses it is impossible to get perfect/perfect, because the golfer's backswing lags so much. On my mid-spec gaming PC using the SAME controller, I get great FPS, perfect/perfect 90% of the time, the occasional hook from a fast downswing but generally shots are quite straight and land beautifully. As soon as I started playing on PC, I felt like I was cheating compared to PS. I've wondered about this (as far as this debate goes), as I play on PC exclusively (with a mouse too - no controller). I would have thought the opposite honestly... that it would be easier on the PS. Off topic a bit - I've had experiences now and then with lag on the backswing, but not a lot (I have a pretty robust system)... and I've found that it was worse when there was a crowd of spectators on the course (oddly my connection issues seemed to be worse with spectators too, but that's another issue). |
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Post by Timbr0_T on Jun 28, 2017 10:38:39 GMT -5
Agreed with Tour clubs for top tours. I would be more concerned with how different the game plays on different systems. I bought it for PS4 and PC, and it is truly a different game on Tour setting for me. On PS4, the frame rate is so poor on some courses it is impossible to get perfect/perfect, because the golfer's backswing lags so much. On my mid-spec gaming PC using the SAME controller, I get great FPS, perfect/perfect 90% of the time, the occasional hook from a fast downswing but generally shots are quite straight and land beautifully. As soon as I started playing on PC, I felt like I was cheating compared to PS. I've wondered about this (as far as this debate goes), as I play on PC exclusively (with a mouse too - no controller). I would have thought the opposite honestly... that it would be easier on the PS. Off topic a bit - I've had experiences now and then with lag on the backswing, but not a lot (I have a pretty robust system)... and I've found that it was worse when there was a crowd of spectators on the course (oddly my connection issues seemed to be worse with spectators too, but that's another issue). This might have been the case in TGC 1 (not sure, never really played it on PC), but with a tempo swing tied into FPS, I would say PC is far easier now. Once I get used to the short game, I expect my scores will be similar or better than TGC1. I guess it makes sense that PC is far more optimised since it's where all testing took place. That being said, still some impressive scores being shot on Tour Swing on PS4 (no idea how) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:41:18 GMT -5
I've wondered about this (as far as this debate goes), as I play on PC exclusively (with a mouse too - no controller). I would have thought the opposite honestly... that it would be easier on the PS. Off topic a bit - I've had experiences now and then with lag on the backswing, but not a lot (I have a pretty robust system)... and I've found that it was worse when there was a crowd of spectators on the course (oddly my connection issues seemed to be worse with spectators too, but that's another issue). This might have been the case in TGC 1 (not sure, never really played it on PC), but with a tempo swing tied into FPS, I would say PC is far easier now. Once I get used to the short game, I expect my scores will be similar or better than TGC1. I guess it makes sense that PC is far more optimised since it's where all testing took place. That being said, still some impressive scores being shot on Tour Swing on PS4 (no idea how)Yeah, I think that guy is going to win many times in the first few months.  |
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Post by ijs1543 on Jun 28, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5
Here's a question. If I play Euro and choose to use the more difficult Tour swing but am missing cuts because half of the field is scoring better using the easier Players clubs (or even Standard), do I deserve to be demoted. Are those players really better than me at the game? I'm just saying how is it fair to compare my game against another when our difficulty settings aren't the same. And the whole "I have the option to use Players clubs too" thing is bogus. I am choosing not to play on an easier setting because I want the challenge of what IRL golf via this game, however small that might be.
This is a bigger decision for TGCT now because Societies gives everyone an alternative for competitive play. I can go find a society that is Tour only. I don't want to but that option is now there. Making one tour enforced and the other not isn't exactly the solution that works because its more about region (and avoiding Sweeney in TGC1 for some) and location. Hey, what did i do wrong  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:50:26 GMT -5
Making one tour enforced and the other not isn't exactly the solution that works because its more about region (and avoiding Sweeney in TGC1 for some) and location. Hey, what did i do wrong Signed up here.  |
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Post by koolie_g on Jun 28, 2017 12:11:43 GMT -5
I will quit the tours if forced to use the Tour swing. I think many people feel this way. I think what we are seeing is a balance issue. The Player Clubs are too forgiving. This is feedback we need to give to HB. We're also playing on courses specifically designed around TGC1 distances. Those courses are eminently playable for the Player swing. Let's see some courses where if you can't hit 280, then you have to bail out and take the long route. Let's see some courses with enormous fairways that reduce the penalty of hitting a bad shot on Tour clubs. The club set is not a difficulty setting. Let's stop pretending it is. I agree that courses will definitely undergoe some changes for the new swing & Tour Clubs. Hazards & bunkers will actually mean something now it looks like. I'm not sure why you would quit the tours. You could just play at a Tour level that allowed Player Clubs. If the PGA/ Euro were restricted to Tour Clubs, then you would play another tour. Everyone wanted a different, more challenging game, UNTIL we actually got it and now they think it's too hard. Maybe it is, but it is a difficulty setting: the hardest difficulty. Guys can't gout & shoot -10 and not ever see the course or ever have to think about their shot other than doing some quick math on the wind and elevation. TGC2 is a totally different game really. All of this is being said while we are only 2 days into the game. Things may be very different in 2 weeks. But the beta guys are suggesting that Player Club guys have an advantage over Tour Club guys because there is little to no risk with Player Clubs. We wanted Risk and not just dial a shot! But now that we have it and guys can't shoot -15 every time out, they don't like it. |
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Post by splittailace on Jun 28, 2017 12:16:04 GMT -5
Modded controllers = tour clubs playing like beginner clubs except they'll have benefits of the tour clubs. Guarantee itll happen.
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Post by paulus on Jun 28, 2017 12:24:35 GMT -5
Modded controllers = tour clubs playing like beginner clubs except they'll have benefits of the tour clubs. Guarantee itll happen. I'm assuming that's detectable in the API data like last version. Otherwise, yes you are right. |
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Post by splittailace on Jun 28, 2017 12:31:20 GMT -5
Modded controllers = tour clubs playing like beginner clubs except they'll have benefits of the tour clubs. Guarantee itll happen. I'm assuming that's detectable in the API data like last version. Otherwise, yes you are right. I sure hope so. We shall see. Just throwing it out there for now.. |
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Post by timeracer on Jun 28, 2017 12:31:40 GMT -5
Modded controllers = tour clubs playing like beginner clubs except they'll have benefits of the tour clubs. Guarantee itll happen. Yep. I know they will police that here but in the overall game that's exactly what will happen. I think this debate needs more time before anyone really knows how the differences in swing will play out. Took me a while to find a grip and routine to guarantee mostly straight shots in 1. As people play, tricks will be learned. I think this argument could end up being moot as my guess is over time the top players will figure out how to hit tour clubs straight enough to make the benefits of distance and spin render player clubs useless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 12:31:59 GMT -5
I'm assuming that's detectable in the API data like last version. Otherwise, yes you are right. I sure hope so. We shall see. Just throwing it out there for now.. Doyley mentioned it in his stream a little while ago that they will be. |
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