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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jun 28, 2017 12:39:18 GMT -5
Agreed with Tour clubs for top tours. I would be more concerned with how different the game plays on different systems. I bought it for PS4 and PC, and it is truly a different game on Tour setting for me. On PS4, the frame rate is so poor on some courses it is impossible to get perfect/perfect, because the golfer's backswing lags so much. On my mid-spec gaming PC using the SAME controller, I get great FPS, perfect/perfect 90% of the time, the occasional hook from a fast downswing but generally shots are quite straight and land beautifully. As soon as I started playing on PC, I felt like I was cheating compared to PS. Ben I agree with you 100%. I have a hard time on PS4 with the player clubs but my swing on PC pretty darned straight with Tour. I think my frame rate is 30 FPS higher on PC as well (get around 60 fps) which I think makes a difference. If it stays like this I may be on PC for my tourney rounds
I think the wind is more noticeable on PC too. I had a 17 MPH on PS4 which I streamed on launch day with a medium sized fairway. I moved to the left edge and it landed in the middle. On PC I moved this way out in the heavy rough with a 13MPH wind and it landed middle of the fairway. Very strange
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Post by ewanh1 on Jun 28, 2017 12:39:59 GMT -5
Haven't read through all comments so forgive me if I'm repeating but surely the point of having the various tees means all courses should be enjoyed by all skill levels and the more skilled designers can do so making their courses challenging with that in mind.
The TGCT guys aren't beginners at this so can set tourneys up according to level by which courses/tees they choose for each week. That way everybody gets to enjoy the game they've all paid for and like all games the levels sort themselves out.
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 28, 2017 12:42:01 GMT -5
My problem with the Tour clubs is this: A Driver should get wild when you don't hit it properly.. A player needs a layup option.. What I am finding is the 4 iron gets just as wild as the driver.. In real golf you have a layup option.. I would like to see that with the Tour set.. I played all three sets last night.. I was wild as hell with the Tour Set.. I was descent with the players (think I shot -4 on Taste society event).. Players Set is not as easy as TGC1 I played my best with the Standard Clubs even though I was short as hell off the tee.. Throw a tourney at me right now and I am teeing up the Standard set.. LMAO.. Piss off if you think that is wuss.. I want to be down the middle  Seriously, I will adjust to what TGC Tours decides.. I just think many people will quit if they are forced to play the Tour Set unless HB tweaks those sets a bit.. And I am not a fan of having the lower tours play with the easier sets.. What happens when they move up and are forced to play the Tour Sets.. Major disadvantage and you will have people not wanting to move up.. |
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Post by Timbr0_T on Jun 28, 2017 13:02:44 GMT -5
My problem with the Tour clubs is this: A Driver should get wild when you don't hit it properly.. A player needs a layup option.. What I am finding is the 4 iron gets just as wild as the driver.. In real golf you have a layup option.. I would like to see that with the Tour set..
I played all three sets last night.. I was wild as hell with the Tour Set.. I was descent with the players (think I shot -4 on Taste society event).. Players Set is not as easy as TGC1 I played my best with the Standard Clubs even though I was short as hell off the tee.. Throw a tourney at me right now and I am teeing up the Standard set.. LMAO.. Piss off if you think that is wuss.. I want to be down the middle Seriously, I will adjust to what TGC Tours decides.. I just think many people will quit if they are forced to play the Tour Set unless HB tweaks those sets a bit.. And I am not a fan of having the lower tours play with the easier sets.. What happens when they move up and are forced to play the Tour Sets.. Major disadvantage and you will have people not wanting to move up.. Your problem with the tour clubs is a great point. I thought I was seeing it too but hadn't played enough to be sure. Some of my wildest shots were with 8 & 9 irons. It absolutely needs to be brought to HB's attention... I feel like the game kills it in some areas but in other subtle areas it feels like the Devs don't play golf (or at least not well). Hurts the immersion a bit. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 28, 2017 13:07:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you would quit the tours. You could just play at a Tour level that allowed Player Clubs. If the PGA/ Euro were restricted to Tour Clubs, then you would play another tour. Currently, I am a PGA card holder. This isn't an ultimatum type thing where I'm going to take my ball and go home, but I play the game for fun competition. If the game becomes frustrating, I'm just not going to play and I'll do something else. If I'm good enough to make it to the PGA or Euro tour, then why do I need to switch club sets just to play on a tour with better players? If I don't want to play with Tour clubs, should I stick around in an easier tour and rack up wins and top 10s? Wouldn't want to be accused of sandbagging. Tour schedulers are going to have to find courses that challenge players in different ways. You might see courses that measure 7500 yards from the tips, 7200 from the blues, and 7000 from the whites. And that would be perfectly fine. Let PGA play from the tips, Web play from blues, and CC from the whites. Give the game a couple of weeks and see how many people learn the Tour swing and master it. Maybe the top tours should be forced to use the standard clubs. |
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 28, 2017 13:15:47 GMT -5
You're making a huge mistake if you've given up on tour clubs. The game came out yesterday. You shouldn't expect to master it in a day. It's supposed to be hard. But once you get it down, it's a huge advantage to use them. That's why I don't think tour clubs will need to be necessary, because most will use them anyway
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Post by rustydynamite on Jun 28, 2017 13:20:31 GMT -5
Playing the TGCT PGA society exhibition, I played with players clubs and I was at a clear disadvantage to the guys using tour clubs. This will work itself out organically. Use tour clubs or lose it appears. Unless you're just trying to make a cut, you're very much going to have to use tour clubs to win I think. Can it be done without tour clubs? Certainly, just like Jim Furyk can win any given week, but he doesn't .
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 28, 2017 13:21:16 GMT -5
You're making a huge mistake if you've given up on tour clubs. The game came out yesterday. You shouldn't expect to master it in a day. It's supposed to be hard. But once you get it down, it's a huge advantage to use them. That's why I don't think tour clubs will need to be necessary, because most will use them anyway I agree with this. The best players will be the ones that master the Tour swing and there's no need to lock anything. But everyone learns at a different pace. If the player clubs are truly too good, then there is either a balance issue or a course-selection (availability) issue. Lots of the courses I've played so far cater towards the player swing presumably because they were designed around TGC1 gameplay. We will see how course design changes for TGC2 gameplay. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 28, 2017 13:24:53 GMT -5
You're making a huge mistake if you've given up on tour clubs. The game came out yesterday. You shouldn't expect to master it in a day. It's supposed to be hard. But once you get it down, it's a huge advantage to use them. That's why I don't think tour clubs will need to be necessary, because most will use them anyway Great point and I wont give up on Tour Clubs.. Yet.. I just know that right now I would take the standards in a tourney and deal with longer approach shots.. |
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Post by yaters on Jun 28, 2017 13:45:26 GMT -5
This probably won't be popular because of the ties to the actual RL tours, but how about this: Instead of PGA and European Tour, we have two top tours where one is open to all swing options and one is Tour only. They could have similar or identical payouts (money, WGR and points where applicable) and crossing over would be okay, but obviously you would abide by the swing settings in place for each if you crossed over. I actually kind of like this idea, or at least the direction you are thinking. One thing that kept me interested in the first game and this site so long was the feeling that everyone played under the same conditions. There are slight differences for PC / PS4 / XB1 in terms of controllers or graphics, but not enough to make it feel unfair in any way. I read through a good portion of this thread and there are really good points on both sides of the 'debate.' Maybe societies with Tour / Players / Standard would be interesting. Seems like a lot of work and would splinter the community here a lot. The guys don't even know if the API will show the necessary data yet. I guess that is step 1. My bet is no decision will be made for awhile and there will be a lot of squawking in the various flights about fairness. Don't envy making this choice! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 14:44:55 GMT -5
I had my first quit already haha I just hated hitting it bad and you know what was about to happen so i just ended it before that happened The difference in this game Dan is that if you are hitting it bad others may very well be too, so there's plenty of time to make up score. The last game, once you failed to birdie that was pretty much it for winning the tournament. |
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Post by paulus on Jun 28, 2017 14:45:33 GMT -5
I read through a good portion of this thread and there are really good points on both sides of the 'debate.' .. ... Don't envy making this choice! Absolutely - even tho I've been arguing for harder difficulty at the Elite levels - I'm not yet fixed in my view - find myself changing my mind as I read the feedback. Overall I'm a little tired of seeing -50's at the top of the leaderboards... but can see only compromises whichever route is chosen. But it's a positive debate so far - the more ideas/opinions the better! |
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Post by paulus on Jun 28, 2017 14:47:59 GMT -5
The difference in this game Dan is that if you are hitting it bad others may very well be too, so there's plenty of time to make up score. The last game, once you failed to birdie that was pretty much it for winning the tournament. This! Sums up very succinctly the problem with ultra-low scores. |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jun 28, 2017 14:59:13 GMT -5
WE WANT A HARDER GAME THE SCORES ARE RIDICULOUS !!!!!! THE GAMES TO HARD YOU CANT FORCE US TO USE TOUR CLUBS!!!! fastfoward YOU CANT HAVE DIFFERENT LADS USING DIFFERENT SETS ITS NOT FAIR!!! Doyley Tim SmilingGoats my prayers are with you. (Also the PC Master race getting a leg up because of tempo been tied to frame rate is the real problem here) |
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Post by paulus on Jun 28, 2017 15:13:15 GMT -5
I think the use of all caps and multiple exclamation marks is not only objectionable from a purely moral standpoint  ...it's also a bit unfair to the debate so far. There has been no heat in this so far - the thread has merely been an honest exchange of views. And long may that continue You're right tho - the admins do have a stonker of a decision to make - prayers indeed. I just hope we all show enough humility to accept and trust their final judgement. |
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...it's also a bit unfair to the debate so far. There has been no heat in this so far - the thread has merely been an honest exchange of views. And long may that continue