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Post by smytty66 on Jun 28, 2017 17:33:22 GMT -5
Yes, sir. Go to societies and search for tgctours PGA and Euro were side by side. 😏😏 Awesome. Thanks! |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 29, 2017 4:36:16 GMT -5
So essentially it seems that the use of Players Clubs would mean we would be carrying on where we left off from TGC1.
Which could be pretty boring/stupid/insert negative adjective here
Coming down the stretch in a tournament using tour clubs, knowing there is the potential to make a mistake and throw it away - that's the way it should be, certainly at the top level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 4:44:55 GMT -5
Pros play from the tips, amateurs from more forward tees. No need to limit which swing to use. Job done.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 29, 2017 4:51:01 GMT -5
Pros play from the tips, amateurs from more forward tees. No need to limit which swing to use. Job done.
Using the Players it would make no difference if Sweeney had a 4 iron and someone of lesser skill had an 8 iron - none whatsoever
If allowed, both Pros & Amateurs use the Players clubs, and both Pros & Amateurs are shooting in the 50's/low 60's within weeks unless the courses get tricked up.
Result - we are back to where we were with TGC 1 only £30 worse off 
Use the tour clubs - and sure, eventually people learn it and the scoring is low 60's regularly, but the potential for a mistake is always there, and it just isn't on Players Clubs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:03:37 GMT -5
Well then that's HBs fault for not balancing the clubs well enough haha.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 29, 2017 5:14:08 GMT -5
Well then that's HBs fault for not balancing the clubs well enough haha. Seriously though, as a True Sim guy you will love the Tour clubs - they actually somewhat resemble golf
Example - played a driveable par 4 yesterday. Had the option of going for the green or hitting an iron to the fairway and wedging it in.
Decided to go for it - got a bit quick on the downswing, pulled it left of the green. Ended 20 yards left in heavy rough playing onto a downslope. Flubbed the flop and ended up with a 30 foot birdie putt.
Had I played the hole on the Players clubs I would have hit the green 95 times out of 100, and then even when I missed it probably easily got up and down.
Because I was using the Tour clubs I got it slightly wrong, turned an easy birdie into a par and was kicking myself for not playing safe 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:24:20 GMT -5
But if you were playing player clubs it wouldn't be driveable right?
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 29, 2017 5:26:53 GMT -5
But if you were playing player clubs it wouldn't be driveable right? This particular hole would have been.
Point is the same though - the mistake came from a mishit. I could have "played safe" and still made a swing error
Using players clubs it's bloody difficult to make a swing error. it plays almost identically to TGC1 which is really not what we want IMO
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Post by yyzleafs on Jun 29, 2017 5:43:56 GMT -5
Using the tour clubs in the game makes the video game harder than real actual golf
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Post by smytty66 on Jun 29, 2017 6:15:24 GMT -5
Using the tour clubs in the game makes the video game harder than real actual golf It takes some practice. It shouldn't be easy. Anything worth doing shouldn't be easy. |
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Post by smytty66 on Jun 29, 2017 6:18:00 GMT -5
Pros play from the tips, amateurs from more forward tees. No need to limit which swing to use. Job done. This isn't a tour of amateurs and players don't get to choose which tees to play from in tournaments. It's not analogous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 6:34:40 GMT -5
Well then that's HBs fault for not balancing the clubs well enough haha. Is it even possible? Can't see the deal in setting up some tours that just play tour difficulty. Really can't see the whole TGCTours structure working with 2 difficulty levels intermixed. It's not a level playing field no matter how much people are kidding themselves that it is. I only play on TST and tour clubs really suit the sim feel |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 6:42:54 GMT -5
Pros play from the tips, amateurs from more forward tees. No need to limit which swing to use. Job done. This isn't a tour of amateurs and players don't get to choose which tees to play from in tournaments. It's not analogous. I think you misunderstood me. I meant... PGA/Euro tournaments are setup to play from the back tees Web.com tournaments are setup to play for the middle tees. CC tournaments are setup to play from the forward tees. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 7:01:44 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. Bradley, I respect you as much as any player in the game. What you've accomplished is nothing short of amazing. But let me ask you a question. What is someone in the PGA/Euro to do if they absolutely can't hit a ball straight with Tour Clubs no matter how hard they try? Quit? Because that's what's going to happen. Do you really want to start alienating players right out of the gate? Also, and this is just my opinion, the distance advantage with Tour Clubs just isn't great enough to justify using them. 279 yards vs 265 yards for a driver? 14 lousy yards? Seriously? That's it? I was stunned when I saw how little difference there is considering between Standard and Player is 25 yards. I was expecting at least 290 yards off the drive. So where exactly is my incentive to use Tour Clubs given how little benefit they give, especially when factoring in the increased difficulty? Don't get me wrong. Even though in my video review I said I wasn't going to even try Tour Clubs, I have moved up to them. I find them more challenging and, in a kind of warped way, more fun. Hitting a great shot really makes you feel great. But there is no way I'll be able to compete up here using them, not that I'm competing up here on TGC 1. So in all honesty, for me personally, I don't care what we use. If it's forced Tour Clubs for PGA/Euro, eh, I can live with that. But then we come to another problem and it's the bigger problem. Something I'm sure nobody has given any though to. If we make Tour Clubs mandatory for PGA/Euro and optional for everybody else, what happens to the guy who comes out of Q School starting in CC-E because he absolutely sucks at this game even with Standard Clubs and finally, after months of hard work and even moving up to Player Clubs, finally makes it to the PGA? What are you going to tell this poor sap whose been using Player Clubs for maybe a half a year or more? That all of a sudden he has to use Tour Clubs or the card he just earned he can't play? Or better yet. He gets an exemption from Web to PGA, has never used Tour Clubs and now you tell him because he's playing a PGA event that he has to play his exemption using Tour Clubs? You may never get another promotion to the Pro Tours ever again unless they're players who played Tour Clubs from the beginning. So, between the people in the PGA who can't handle Tour Clubs and the people trying to get in who can't handle Tour Clubs, you'll essentially turn the pro tours into an elite squad. In essence, you'll end up with maybe 100 guys playing in the top tours. I sure won't be in them anymore. But then again I'm gonna be demoted when the season ends anyway so I don't really care. You make club use mandatory and you're opening up a can of worms that you really don't want to open which will ultimately lead to losing a lot of members. You can quote me on this when, if we go to mandatory Tour Clubs, it actually happens and membership falls through the floor. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 7:05:22 GMT -5
This isn't a tour of amateurs and players don't get to choose which tees to play from in tournaments. It's not analogous. I think you misunderstood me. I meant... PGA/Euro tournaments are setup to play from the back tees Web.com tournaments are setup to play for the middle tees. CC tournaments are setup to play from the forward tees. Yourself As a stats fan Luke, I thought you'd be buzzing to get your hands on tour clubs. Much more realistic FIR's,GIR's scrambling and so on compared to player clubs |
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