Group H Judging Results & Scoreboard

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Designer                                                                                           Points

pyates                                                                                                7

Sam                                                                                                   6

UnhH0lyOne                                                                                      1

rhino4life                                                                                           3


Pyates advances as winner of Group H. Sam advances as 2nd place finisher.

ps: tough group, fellas. All of you need tp multipin if interested in hosting a tour event.

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Corran Castle Links vs Port Sunlight Golf Club

Judge 1:

Corran Castle v. Port Sunlight

Really great courses here, both were right up my alley in terms of playability and the types of courses I prefer. My notes and winner below

Corran Castle Links
+Castle/complex/keep/towers/ruined towers/ruined wall. Really captivating and great to see from afar, and not to bad up close either. Great setting
+Clean open links style, but with more elevation changes and fun terrain
+Unique course and concept
+coastline is great
+Greens had good variation- tiers, slopes, sizes, etc. Really fun greens for approach shots and putting
+tee boxes well done. Normally I could care less about tees, but the integration of tees and paths and slopes really cool
+Super finishing hole.
+planting, contouring, details all top notch

-Hole4 can block camera views if player goes too long into Cliffside. Green too small to allow variation in pin locations
-Bunkering issues- Loved the round pot bunkers, but not feeling the long skinny ones, had some floating islands, variation in depths, and just some strange looking bunkers
-The start of the backnine seems like a different course...had trees and different looks. Didn't quite flow, but enjoyable holes still
-Large variation in fairway sizes...some were huge for some reason

Port Sunlight Golf Club

+clubhouse complex
+warehouse and wharfs behind hole2/3 and throughout
+planting, routing, contouring all top notch as well here
+Unique fairway designs, albeit fantasyesqe. Really made you plan your shots off the tee
+Tons of fun holes, especially 3, 4, 9 to name a few
+Elevation work really good...never felt forced
+big greens...many possible pins and replay value

-but some too big. Then suddenly the 17th green is small. Not really consistent.
-Too many round/oval green shapes...would like more variety. Also, with greens that size, seemed like more could be done with slopes, tiers, etc to make unique and more challenging. Backnine seemed better and more interesting
-Some fairway spots don't seem practical, like the short left one on hole2
-Found hole5 peculiar or too fantasy
-Fairway to green blending off, many tiny strips of fairway on sides. Looked like the fairway was trying to hold up a huge crystal ball green with tiny fingers
-Bunkering was hit and miss. Some looked great, others looked off

Overall nothing really to complain about here...want to play these courses RIGHT NOW on tour...but I'll have to wait until the contest is over .

 
Winner: This one to me came down to how the greens played...really thought Corran's were super and interesting...only detractor here is a few too small or contoured too severe to host 4 different days in a tour. Port Sunlight greens were enormous and don't have the pin issue, but had repetitiveness of shapes, had less worry about where to land for the best rollout and leave easier putts, and had more typical putts you'll find on 95% of the courses.  Therefore by a really slim margin my winner is CORRAN CASTLE LINKS.

Judge 2:
Another Battle Royale. "Let's get ready to Rummmmmmble"

Corran Castle Links vs Port Sunlight Golf Club

Corran Castle:
Great views all around this course. The castle was nice and I enjoyed the ruins scattered through out. I like the look of the grass footpaths from the tees. For the most part the planting looked very natural and added to the atmosphere. Nice use of the elevation on many of the holes. I thought #18 was a fantastic par 5.
Now for the nit picking. Inconsistent use of rough/heavy rough around the bunkers. The floating grass in a few bunkers just looked strange. Hole #4 looked great but if you go long you're forced in to a top view on the next shot. The wall on the left side of #11 seemed out of place.

Port Sunlight:
Very nice looking course. Also great use of footpaths on this course. Lots of risk/reward shots here which is a plus. Multiple and or split fairways gives the player plenty of choices on how to play. The planting was fairly good over the entire course.
And now the Negative Nancy comments. Most of the front 9 greens could use some more contouring, didn't seem to match the back 9. There are are a few things that appeared to be out of place. #11 covered bridge didn't match, #15 wide fairway where all the rest were narrow and the tiny green on #17 compared to the rest of the courses' large greens.

Yet 2 more fantastic courses make this a difficult decision.

The Victor this round is Corran Castle Links.

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Phoenix Sands GCR @ HS Isles vs Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC

Judge 1:
Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC
From the opening tee shot this course excited me.
There is some fantastic rock work done here
Bunkers are well placed and smooth
Green are challenging but I did not mind that so much because I like to be challenged. I did think there were too many dome like pin positions, not my favorite but the firmness of green did not affect my putts so much that it was a ping pong effect.
Planting was well placed but for me I would like to see a bit more color.
Also a walking path or cart path might benefit the course, I believe there was one or 2 holes going over a short creek with no walking bridge.
Was enjoying my round so much I forgot to write down the exact holes.
Not seeing a clubhouse anywhere, and just feel that a clubhouse should always be visible from 1, 9 (coming in need to pee! ,10 (heading out after a beer) and 18 (back home to turn in my card.)
I give this course a 8.5 out of 10 and yes I would play this again and certainly mark it in my favorites. Nice job.

Phoenix Sand GCR

Before opening the course, I expected a sand course due to the name. Silly me. Was surprised to see Delta theme but pleasantly pleased with the opening hole, the lightening was perfectly and the grass seemed to glow. Overview I could clearly see where I was going from hole to hole. There were a few things wrong here but nothing that cannot be fixed easily.
Some of the bunkers were a bit large( #4 in particular) and needed some extra smoothing. Grass in bunker on 3rd hole right side. And on #7 fringe. The fringe on hole 3 is rather wide would dial that down some. I would remove the double fairway on 10 and 15 it serves no purpose. The green played well, but the sloping was in areas that really did not effect my landing shots. could improve there.
My biggest concern was the jaggedness of fairway to fringe, it appears to me a circle brush was used to follow the edges. The designer would benefit in just enlarging the same shape a few notches to give it a smooth transition from one to the other.
Like the use of a double fairway on 9 and 18.
I am giving the designer a 6 of of 10. because there is potential here, would suggest investigating checking out the tutorials by crazy canuck on laying out fairway,fringe,and heavy rough as well as bunker smoothing. It's what I like to call a fix'er upper.

Winner: Jacobs Creek

Judge 2:

Phoenix Sands GCR
7.8
Pros:
-Gorgeous course. From the very first tee, I was blown away by the lighting and textures and overall "feel" and look of this golf course.
-Shorelines/beaches very realistic and pretty. Delta theme is tough, in my opinion, to make look really nice. This did.
-Nice minamilist planting. The grasses near tees (almost all) and greens (rarely) look very natural.
-Bunkering - good shapes and good placement.
-Great green complexes - just the right speed/movement/firmness for a challenge, but not insanely so; pin placements are very good.
-Love the shared green on 9/18.
-Overall clean look to this course.

Cons:
-Plantings around a few of the greens a bit too close to the fringe. Errant shots are difficult to see one's lie on those.
-Bunkering - contouring/smoothing needs a bit of work. Not all, but many looked rather chunky/unsmooth. This might have been due to the water level being so close to their level.
-Not sure about the color choices of green vs. fairway; the contrast is a bit unnatural. One seems to clash against the other. A minor point, though, and just my opinion - completely subjective and did not impact my score.
-Some of the islands look a little fakey, such as off to the right of the fairway on 13. Little bit of work on those needed to make them look more natural.
-Noticed some irregularities between cut transitions, looked a bit rough in places (Fairway to light rough, green to fairway to light rough), lacked smoothness.

I really enjoyed my round - a very fun course to play, with just enough challenge to keep it interesting, and aesthetically a great looking course.

Jacob's Creek at Lauren Hills GC
9.0
Pros:
-Beautiful course in every aspect, from textures, lighting, plantings, terrain/elevation, water, etc.
-Love the rocks, as my partner pointed out. Very well done. Lots of time and hard work went into the placement of every rock on this course. And every one of them belongs on the course where it is at - very organic. #4 is a great example. So is #5. And #9. And #11. And #14. Heck, all over the place.
-Bunkering is superb. Period.
-Contouring of the fairways is well done. Almost linksy - the ground game is actually important on this course's fairways. Read the terrain where your ball will land, or you will get a crash course in what "ground game" means.
-Love the greens. Again, almost linksy - rolly-polly with lots of movement, and approaches require lots of attention to predict ball movement to the hole, or a BIG price will be paid. However, unlike typical links greens, these are at least a little on the softer side and slower, so more forgiving and thus accessible to a lot more golfers. Really like the greens on this course, although I struggled. VERY challenging. These greens kicked my ass, repeatedly. Multiple bogeys. Yet - I loved them.
-Very minimalist planting - looks to me like whatever natural grasses/plants were there already were used to advantage, without adding additional. If so - it works here, especially with the boreal forest theme.
-Fantastic routings. Every hole is a challenge in re. distance/landing zones from tee to approaches. A lot of very unique holes that will keep you coming back for multiple plays.


Cons:
-Not sure about the distances on #5. This par 5 is a bit aggravating, although perhaps that is the point; one cannot reach the green in less than 3 - at least I don't see how - but the 2nd shot can't come anywhere near the 2nd  staggered fairway so the golfer is forced to use a very small iron to progress the ball a little way further down the 1st fairway, before making the important 3rd approach shot to the green. That 2nd little shot is a bit anti-climactic. I think if the 2nd fairway was extended a ways, so that it was at least reachable with a 2nd shot - even with some wind behind you - it would provide more satisfaction, seeing as how the green isn't reachable in 2. Just my opinion.
-As my partner pointed out, perhaps a clubhouse at the end of the round; just a small aesthetic "need" of mine, but lends a sense of "job well done, now head to the clubhouse for a refreshing beverage." Not a huge thing, however.
-Red stakes around the water. Yeah, yeah - water bad, got it. Redundant.

This course was like a girl I dated briefly for about 2 weeks in college - kicked my ass royally, but oh what a sweet sweet pain it was. And her name was Lauren! This is one of only 2 courses I have judged in the Invicta contest so far that I actually favorited and intend on playing again and again. Loved this golf course!

The winner: Jacob's Creek at Lauren Hills GC

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Corran Castle Links vs Phoenix Sands GCR @ HS Isles

Judge 1:
Corran Castle Links vs Phoenix Sands GCR @ HS Isles

Corran Castle Links- BEAUTIFUL opening tee shot. Everything looking good...except for the bunkers in two cuts of rough Not a terrible thing, but as I've stated before, it stands out in a design competition. Going forward, the course looks great. The designer did a nice job using the natural look of the highlands theme and also incorporating some nice planting along the way. I think the choice of the red flowering plants was a great choice. Looks natural and gives the course just a little pop here and there. The hole design is also done well. One of the best looking holes for me was hole 4. There is some noticeable lag here, but it doesn't make the hole unplayable...at least not on PS4. As I played through the course I found myself looking forward to each tee shot and each approach shot. The look the designer achieved just keeps you wanting more. The course does a lot of things right, adequate green size, nice sculpting, nice lighting, nice planting, and gorgeous looks throughout.

That being said, the course is not without faults. There are bunkers in two cuts of rough on holes 1, 10, 11, 13, 15, 16, 17. There is a small spot around the green on hole 4 where the fringe disappears and the light rough is touching the green. I also noticed EVERY alternate tee box is the kidney bean shape. That doesn't affect game play at all, but when judging a design contest, it sticks out. From a far, the clubhouse area looks WOW! Up close, it gets confusing. Why is there a clubhouse in a bumpy muddy plot? And what is up with all the roofs stuck in the middle of the main clubhouse? I'm thinking the designer was trying ti get a certain look and achieved it and just didn't think that would really matter unless you were looking at the clubhouse from above as I was. Once again, this doesn't affect the course itself, just an observation.

Bottom line is I wanted to play this again as soon as I finished. That tells me the course is a great one! The designer has done a great job here and you really have to look for negatives, because they don't really jump out at you. This would be a great choice for Web and even PGA or EURO in my opinion.

Score: 9/10

Phoenix Sands GCR @ HS Isles

Very nice opening hole, with nice lighting, planting, and bunker work. As I worked my way through this delta themed course I found myself enjoying the firm greens because the designer allowed plenty of room on the greens for rewarding correctly calculated shots. As I continued on I realized there really isn't anything jumping out at me, positive or negative. The course is nice, but the course felt kind of stagnant after the first five or six holes. I found myself not really taking notes. The holes were designed well, but nothing really WOWING me. I did enjoy thinking about my approach shots. Makes the well played shots feel even better if you gotta read green contours and look at downhill lies or uphill slopes, etc. That was done well. There were some minor issues the designer did not catch, like having plants in the bunkers on holes 5 and 6. I think the steep bank on hole 6 that leads to the water would have been better if much more subtle. The tee box on nine was slanted and not flat, and the sculpting and blending for the bridge would have looked much neater if not so steep. I wish the designer would have used the red brush for the bunkers on 15 and 16...would have looked so much better.

This is a nice course that looks nice, but kind of feels the same in many places. After my round here, I really didn't get the urge to play it again, like I did with Corran Castle. I do look forward to future designs form this designer as this was a good effort, but not as good as his competitor this round.

Score: 7.8/10

Winner is Corran Castle Links


Judge 2:

Corran Castle Links:

Pro:

The rolling hills looks very natural for a links course.  

Planting looks good off 2nd tee.  The blind 2nd shot on 2 works because of the view you get when your ball is flying toward the green.

I like the of the layout for hole 4....

The planting is effective for a links style course.

The stone structures aimed to look like ancient pillars and castle are effective from distance (not as much up close.)

The view off the 16th tee really captures the feel of the designer is trying to build.


Con:

Bisected bunkers.  Pick a rough and keep it the same around the bunkers.  (That was corrected on a few holes but not consistently.)

The first tee looks odd....as if it's not really flat.  Like we're teeing off on the side of a small hump.

...but the way it's laid out causes lag on hole 4.  

Not a fan of the fairway from the tee boxes to the main fairway...doesn't seem to enhance the layout.

The way the green is laid out on hole 7 just looks odd.  The back part with the big slant doesn't help.  I'm seeing this on a few greens.

The floating land in the bunkers on 10 doesn't work.  I know that's likely wasn't the designer's plan but the bunker sculpting allowed it.

The slanted down edges of 12's green should be flattened a bit.

As the course goes on, I feel a real sense of sameness.  The majority of the holes just look and feel the same.  Given, that's part and parcel of a links style course, but even that being considered it feels same-ish.


Overall:  It's a nice links course but it didn't make me want to play it again.  I kind of felt like by the 14th hole you were already playing the course again.  I know it floated ******* but I don't see the same wow factor.


Phoenix Sands GCR

Pros:

I like the lighting.  It gives an early morning feel which works with the delta layout.

The waterlines on multiple holes is well done and looks natural.

Not a fan of shared greens. It's fine as it's designed, however, and works in the layout.

The approach on the 10th hole is fantastic to see.  

Excellent work on the bridges.

The "eye bunker" on 14 just works.   Nice subtle thing to stick in someone's head.



Cons:

The color palette not really the best for the layout.

The layout of hole 2 just bothers me.  While I appreciate creativity, the whole circle fairway seems unnecessary.

Not a fan of the fairway surrounding the green.

I don't like the look of grass in bunkers (example hole 5).  

On 5, given where most people would play a 2nd shot because of the length, the bunker to the left of the green is ineffective.  Should have been in front where balls will be landing.

Not a fan of the mega-green on 8.

The look of 11 is a virtual carbon copy of the look of an elevated green in the front half. The oval bunkers are just not as big. Kind of breaks the flow of the course.

The appendix on the 13th's fairway is really unnecessary...doesn't really enhance play or aesthetics.


Overall:  The flow of the course is great outside of the 11th hole.  


Winner:  Phoenix Sands by a hair.

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Port Sunlight Golf Club vs Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC

Judge 1:
Port Sunlight Golf Club vs. Jacob's Creek at Lauren Hills

Port Sunlight is the best 18 holes of golf I've played so far from the at the time 7, now 8 courses I've played so far.  Lot's of options off the tee, so the course will always play differently depending on the wind.  Elevation was well used.  Everything was well used.  Even the port looked fairly well done in the background from most angles/distances you saw it.  I've never been one to pay attention to who made any of the courses I usually play, so typically I couldn't tell one designers work from another but I was about half way through this one and I started thinking this feels very much like a Sam course. 

Didn't really notice anything blatant to say negative about this course, so I'm going to complain that there were too many swans in the water on the 17th hole.


Jacob's Creek had the misfortune of being played right after Sunlight but fortunately it was clearly a step below so my feelings weren't influenced by the course I had just played.  Yet another round that I felt offered a solid 18 holes of golf but didn't do enough to set it apart from the crowd.  A nice variety of hole lengths but it was still all straightforward off the tee.  I thought the rock use was fairly good without being overwhelming.

Problem is the rock work ended up taking away from the functionality of the course.  It would be impassable by golf cart and there were sections between and even on holes where I think a person would risk breaking their neck walking it.  No defined paths between holes left a few spots where I could see a golfer wandering around not sure where they go next.  No clubhouse also seems like an oversight.

Generic Scoring:
Port Sunlight - 9/10
Jacob's Creek -7.3/10

Judge 2:
Comments coming at later time. Winner: Port Sunlight

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Corran Castle Links vs Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC

Judge 1:

Corran Castle Links vs Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC

Corran Castle Links

Clubhouse and access roads were really well done, maybe level the rocks in front for a large patio area
Stunning view from the 1st tee
Loved the 4th hole, loved 11th
Really nice views of the castle from holes 6, 7 and 16
Really liked the shortish par 5 18th, good chance of eagle but could also be a bogey as green is very tricky..clever hole to finish
This course flowed really well with well defined walkways between holes, planting was good, rock work was excellent. This is the best course i have played in this competition to date
Score 9.5 

Jacobs Creek and Lauren Hills GC

No clubhouse  massive area behind 1st tee to put one in
Hole 2 is very pretty
Not keen on tree in front of 4th tee, with the wrong wind this would be an issue
Rock work was well done
Bunkers all seemed to be in logical places but shape wise seemed to repetitive throughout
13th hole is a par 4 at 248yd.....bring tee forward a bit and make it a long par 3, as a par 4 it is a nothing hole, too short for a golf game
15th hole gives you a 6 iron on tee on a long par 4, this is a pet hate of mine and no idea why the game does it...waypoint maybe ??

Greens were maybe a bit too slopey but that is just my opinion

I also got an Ace on 6

Score 8

Both courses played well and looked good but Corran Castle had a WOW factor on a lot of holes and is definitely a course i would play again

Winner Corran Castle

Judge 2:
Comments to follow at a later time. Winner: Corran Castle Links

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Port Sunlight Golf Club vs Phoenix Sands GCR @ HS Isles

Judge 1:

Port Sunlight Golf Club vs Phoenix Sands

Port Sunlight Golf Club

Pros -
Fun play.
Planting around water is really good.
I like how the designer mixed in green grass with brown grass giving it a realistic feel.
The shipyard was well done.
The layout is superb. Well done on 3 fairway choices on some holes.
Clean as can be.

Cons -
There are a few crinkles around the traps/green areas.

Phoenix Sands

Pros -
Lighting is really good
Color of the grass really shines in the lighting
Nice layout

Cons -
Crinkles near greens/bunkers
Fairway bunkers would be more visible and have a better look if the terrain was raised around the backs of them a bit
The meeting point of the heavy rough and the sandy areas is kind of bland. Maybe the designer could have made the sandy areas higher than the green heavy rough which would give it a rocky raised feeling that makes you think that is why no grass grows there.
Planting is to close to some tee boxes and fringes.

Winner = Port Sunlight Golf Club

Judge 2:
Port Sunlight v Phoenix Sands.

Port Sunlight starts with a fantastic view from the first tee and a opening tee shot where attention has to be paid. As first impressions go, it's well up there. Over the next few holes, that good impression continues. Choice seems to be the name of the game here which brings two advantages to a course, first, it's playable in all wind conditions and more importantly, the various choices bring thought into the game, players do have to weigh up there options from the tee, there's something there for the safe player and the player that wants to take that little bit more of a risk. The fairways tend to be on the narrow side, so no matter the option, a poor tee shot can be punished. The greens are large bringing plenty of choice for multi pin setups, both in pin positioning and green firmness which can make Port Sunlight accessible to all tours. The pin set on the competition entry bring more gentle contours around the hole, the movement is there, enough to catch the unwary with out to much frustration. It can be seen though where putting can be much more difficult with a different pin position. From a playing point of view, there's not many faults with this course, maybe for some, tee shots might seem similar. I was not a fan of the elevation on the eleventh, not because it was a bad hole, it just felt a little bit out of place compared to the elevation on the rest of the course. That's just nitpicking, overall a strong course that's fun to play, nice to look at and can bring something to all level of players.

 The first thing that is noticeable on Phoenix Sands is the lighting, it really stands out and brings a great look to the course. The delta theme does not always stand out but here it does look fantastic. The course plays well from the beginning and flows along nicely allowing the player to feel like there at a golf course, wide open fairways adds to this feeling which then open into big greens allowing the player to roll the ball on to the green in the hope of getting it close to the pin. Again like the previous course, this will bring many options for a four day setup. The greens themselves play well, green speed is spot on for a firm course, so even with a poor approach, a long putt can be lagged close in a attemp to save par. The ninth hole shows everything good about this course, beautiful lighting, a clear fairway opening unto a approach with a great view of the club house. The next couple of holes then show something that seems to pop up a lot on the course, heavy planting in front of the tee box, using it on a hole or two is fine, but I think it's over done a little giving tee shots a familiar feel. The eleventh also has a massive bunker right in the middle of the fairway that feels out of place and takes away a little of the flow I mentioned earlier. The spilt fairways over the closing holes are well done and add a little variety to what is in playability terms a very good course which then finishes with another high quality hole which shows the talent of designer.

Port Sunlight is the winner here, both courses bring a lot to the table and I as never bored in any of my play throughs. Small issues on Phoenix Sands like over planting near tee boxes, the bunker on eleven, the yacht on thirteen take a little bit away from the course. Another close match,making life hard for me as a judge but both designers have plenty of reasons to be proud of their work.

[Clint Kelso]

pyates, SAM, rhino4life good luck to u all gentlemen. Outstanding job by all. Hope one of us takes it home

[SAM]

Some interesting & surprising results so far in the other groups.
This is wide open & any 2 could progress.
Best of luck gents.

[Moe Slorkman]

Moe Slorkmans Picks (Will be shocked if correct/Picks predate results didn't have time over weekend)


1. SAM
2. pyates

[Clint Kelso]

Jan 9, 2017 4:33:59 GMT -5 Moe Slorkman said:

Moe Slorkmans Picks (Will be shocked if correct/Picks predate results didn't have time over weekend)


1. SAM
2. pyates

still looking for the dislike button. I can't find one. Lol. Good picks Moe Slorkman. Would have no issues if I lost to them two amazing designers

[pyates]

Jan 9, 2017 15:04:49 GMT -5 Clint Kelso said:

Jan 9, 2017 4:33:59 GMT -5 Moe Slorkman said:

Moe Slorkmans Picks (Will be shocked if correct/Picks predate results didn't have time over weekend)


1. SAM
2. pyates

still looking for the dislike button. I can't find one. Lol. Good picks Moe Slorkman . Would have no issues if I lost to them two amazing designers

Cheers but I am seriously on the fence with these.  I've still not played Sam's... I really must tonight (loved the video though).  But mine and the other two... wouldn't like to separate them.  Apparently mine looks pretty good (Find that hard to judge myself), but plays dreadfully (extremely important... although it played pretty well for me, it will likely polarise opinion).

So, in conclusion, does mine deserve to advance?  Not sure! Do the others? Definitely!  Can they all?  NO!  Who will?  No flamin idea!

So, well, I'm lost .  All I can say is good luck you three, can't wait to see the results, tremendous effort

[rhino4life]

I'd feel alot better about mine if what was being looked at was what I have saved now. Still have few things to tidy up and will release it again. Should be a much better play and look....hopefully anyway. That said...any of you guys are great reps for our bracket.

[rhino4life]

Thanks for the feedback on the course. Most of these issues were things I figured would be mentioned in the comments.

There was a clubhouse on the hill for the 9/18 green but I had to remove it before submission because I did not receive the proper building permits in time to complete it. Since the contest entry I greased a local politician and now construction has begun.
There was a cart path on the entire course but the grounds crew took exception to the 20hr shifts I was working them towards the deadline and quit on me. I had to jackhammer the whole damn thing myself to get it removed. That's the last time I hire a crew from Craig's List.

I will check into that waypoint on #15. That is a pet peeve of mine as well. I do not recall getting a 6I off the tee but I can certainly look into it. I was play testing #5 last night and it was giving me a iron off the tee on one of the boxes, but not the other three which I found odd...and fixed.

I need to check the creek area again but I am almost positive there was a bridge crossing over the creek after the #1 green but its located toward the #2 teebox (which the comment on a patch or walking path comes in as good advice), before the green on #2, and before the fairway on #7. Maybe the grounds crew chucked them in the woods somewhere.

I know the tree on #4 teebox was removed awhile ago.

As a new designer I really didn't plan on having a cart path at all, then decided too late to do one...and then ultimately pulled the plug which sucks given the amount of time I had already spent on it and then the amount of time I have spent sculpting the land since the removal. A few holes like #5 the path really was a pain in the butt to make look right. I realIze too that a path of some sort would guide players to next hole if walking or driving it IRL. Few holes are hard to figure where you might go next. Out of all the comments of should of, could of, I will more than likely leave this off the list and use the feedback on a future project. Learned a lot of things in this process and a really appreciate the plays on what was provided and the feedback on how you found the course to be. I am definitely listening to what people have offered.

[reebdoog]

another thread with a bit of a head-scratcher result in one match up so far... *boggle*