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Post by Royce on May 10, 2016 22:02:20 GMT -5
What holes had "bad" pins Royce? This is not a difficult course, you played safe and shot -6, and complain about that, it's confusing really. Each round I tried to go with 6 front pins, 6 center pins, 6 rear pins. Each round on each hole the pins rotated randomly from a left position or right position or center position. No pins are within 5 feet of the edge of the green All pins have a uniform grade around them (2-3 foot radius) So in total, each hole has pins on the left, right, center, front and back if the hole allowed for it. Round 1 was the only round with max firm, but the greens were slow. All the greens would hold a well executed shot. This does not mean there is 18 accessible pins, but it does mean you could have attemped 18 birdie putts. All of these green have back to front slope, some more than others, while a few have a run off area near one side on the back to gather bad approaches. For your sake, make sure you never make it to the pga, max firm is common place there, not a fluke in a single round. When you practice max firm, you learn how to land on fairway and let it roll onto the green to attack the front pins, you can't be entitled to fly it on the green every hole and get close to the pin. Every hole, every hole has an apron in front of the green to use at your disposal. Why you chose not to use them at your advantage in max firm settings is on you. I'll note the "bad" or unfair pins next time I play version A...but for the most part when you have consistent 200+ yard approach shots it get frustrating when they are tucked behind bunkers with max firm.....not a problem at all on medium. And I'd never play on PGA, no way no how.....those courses are just absurd and not my cup of tea....props to the guys who enjoy playing for chips all day long. I shot a -6 because I played for pitches in a lot of instances. Playing traditionally I was lucky to break par, but the course became much easier to score on when firing away 45 yard pitch shots, hoping to drop a few and putting for par. I chose not to use the aprons because I was playing from the sand the majority of the time, based on pin location....I feel like the course was designed for medium but flipped to firm just for tour.
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Post by tastegw on May 10, 2016 22:25:50 GMT -5
Your scorecard is incorrect then: www.tgctours.com/Tournament/holebyhole?tournamentPlayerId=124269It shows 100% DRiving accuracy and zero bunkers hit, maybe you meant "sand" as something else. You are right, the course was designed for medium firmness, but max speed greens to couple it. Max firm and slow greens give nearly the same rollout as medium fast so it balanced out for the most part. But this is a desert course after all, max firm is common here. Also, everyone had to play the same conditions you did. You are currently tied for 7th through one round. So what exactly is it you were hoping for? edit: i figured it out, you are a fan of Collins work, you saw I ripped a few of his efforts and this is just your form of payback. It makes sense now. carry on, carry on.
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Post by Royce on May 10, 2016 22:55:43 GMT -5
Your scorecard is incorrect then: www.tgctours.com/Tournament/holebyhole?tournamentPlayerId=124269It shows 100% DRiving accuracy and zero bunkers hit, maybe you meant "sand" as something else. You are right, the course was designed for medium firmness, but max speed greens to couple it. Max firm and slow greens give nearly the same rollout as medium fast so it balanced out for the most part. But this is a desert course after all, max firm is common here. Also, everyone had to play the same conditions you did. You are currently tied for 7th through one round. So what exactly is it you were hoping for? I was talking about practice rounds and landing in sand and having to play flop after flop, but I suppose some people enjoy that and use it to score well. I changed my strategy for the actual tour round after more than one frustrating practice round. It was a nice challenge to figure out how to score well. There's lots of courses that play well on max firm because they were designed to properly accept approach shots of varying distance in varying wind, this is not one of them IMO. But that's what's so great about this game, something for everyone to enjoy. I hit sub 50% GIR (or somewhere thereabouts) and still shot -6 so yeah. Putting only 22 times helps. And I never said the course was difficult, just not enjoyable on max firm. I had no idea green speed had anything to do with approach shots holding greens, you learn something new every day. I played with some good ghost ball players who couldn't hold a green. I'm sure you could hold them all like you claim in the designer in no wind or with excessive lofting of 3 irons, something I don't do and shouldn't need to. I guess my complaint is more to do with the game physics than your course, other than the grass colors changing every round for some strange reason, green speed changing completely (never seen a tour course IRL change so dramatically round to round) and the convenient placement of fw bunkers and that bushy thing on the short par 4 that blocked an approach if you wanted to layup short of the conveniently placed bunker. Oh yeah and the tees never changing but that's my personal preference, just makes for a way better tournament when you play from different tees.
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Post by tastegw on May 10, 2016 23:15:49 GMT -5
Tees never changed? They changed every round, not from black to blue but within the black tee box. That was sometimes a good 15 yards difference.
Also, just because you, Royce, can't hold the greens does mean the greens do not hold. I'm not one of those that don't play test courses, a good amount of time is spent in that department. I write down things that need changed from hole to hole, sometimes minor details may get overlooked, but the more important things are heavy in attention.
Things like reading the greens from all angles, resetting grid lines constantly to make sure yellow doesn't pop out over the hole, giving a good vantage point of the hole, width of landing zones vs the hole length (yes they get measured, same for green sizes) making sure every hole can be played using the fairway as a short land to bounce and roll onto the green (with the exception of that short par 3)
What bushy thing blocked an approach? Got a pic?
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Post by stravscu on May 11, 2016 0:08:29 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the course. You had to think your way around. There were a couple of pins that weren't 'accessible' but if you took on a big right to left or left to right you could pull it off.
The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the color change in round 3. What was that?
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 11, 2016 3:28:49 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I have really enjoyed the course too and I never play for chips, that's just not golf IMO. Sure, the pins in round one were hard to get close to, but certainly not impossible. Even in the easier conditions you had to hit the right shots. I think an excellent job of setting up four very different challenges on a good course. And I've made my first cut! Woop woop!
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Post by Moe Slorkman on May 11, 2016 3:35:13 GMT -5
Royce welcome back now behave yourself . Opinions are fine but be careful not to cross the line. Personally I think tastegw has done 4 very different very interesting set ups and every hole allowed you to get within a 20 foot putt and hold the green. I missed 5 greens 2 were sub 100 shots 2 were been to brave and the other was poor maths. If you don't like firm set ups thats grand I hate slow soft greens we all have course set ups we dislike, Just don't be taking it out on the designer take it out on me I'm the one that okayed it for the tour .
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 11, 2016 3:49:26 GMT -5
hmammoth, BMann1976 and the rest of you on -9, I wouldn't pack up your golf clubs just yet...
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Post by Moe Slorkman on May 11, 2016 3:52:51 GMT -5
Watcher of the Watcher's Report 43 Hours RemainingWoooooooooooooo I've made the cut , Praise the Lord its amazing what a new set of clubs can do. Back to business with 47 Watchers and the usual uncountable amount of Lurkers still to finish the first 2 rounds the Watchersafezone sits at -12 so as indicated above Giraffe72 has made his first cut on Web ! -11 is a 91% shot where we have Wh0amiagan , Andrea 's mate and Terry Grayson. -10 is at 64% to make the weekend we see North47 and overr8edplaya looking good for a spot at the weekend. -9 is 47% to make it all the way to Sunday. Its a star studded line up with scampi00 , hmammoth TonyDDon BMann1976 xraylucy and sportsmen10 all sitting in limbo -8 is 15% for danandsons and Vellerz to escape the watchers. -7 is 2% chance to make it but its just time rather than if. Bad news for tpluff off to Saxony. -6 or worse are cut Projected Cutline : -9
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 11, 2016 4:00:26 GMT -5
There's something about desert courses that seems to suit me. The only Q-School course I broke par on was Wildfire Ridge, I picked up my two CC wins at Red Rock and Scottsdale Silverado, and now my first Web cut made here. This one has given me the most satisfaction Any chance of a desert course every week Moe Slorkman? I'm sure no one would mind... Right, best tee up round 3 then. No pressure now, anything is a bonus
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Post by Hootbleet on May 11, 2016 4:04:22 GMT -5
Shot -7 in the 1st round, back to form after missing 2 cuts in a row. That disappeared in the easier 2nd round when I could only muster a -4. That round seemed as if the whole game was messing with me. Looks like I've made the cut though and I'll look forward to the neon green coloured round 3 tonight after my beloved Sunderland have secured their premiership status for another season. All fingers and toes crossed
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Post by BIELSALUFC on May 11, 2016 4:04:44 GMT -5
Probably my least enjoyable outing on web.
Not a fan of the desert theme at all.
Missing short putts on 2 and 3 for birdie and the max firmness settings making it very very difficult to get close or even stick on the greens had me raging. After those missed putts and general frustrations I was wishing i was back in CC throwing it into soft greens and playing target golf.
Would be nice if we could just have one of those weeks on web.
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Post by Hootbleet on May 11, 2016 4:07:12 GMT -5
Probably my least enjoyable outing on web. Not a fan of the desert theme at all. Missing short putts on 2 and 3 for birdie and the max firmness settings making it very very difficult to get close or even stick on the greens had me raging. After those missed putts and general frustrations I was wishing i was back in CC throwing it into soft greens and playing target golf. Would be nice if we could just have one of those weeks on web. Round 2 was target golf Paul, guess I'm out of tune with that now, as I was crap in that round
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Post by North47 on May 11, 2016 4:08:07 GMT -5
Watcher of the Watcher's Report 43 Hours RemainingWoooooooooooooo I've made the cut , Praise the Lord its amazing what a new set of clubs can do. Back to business with 47 Watchers and the usual uncountable amount of Lurkers still to finish the first 2 rounds the Watchersafezone sits at -12 so as indicated above Giraffe72 has made his first cut on Web ! -11 is a 91% shot where we have Wh0amiagan , Andrea 's mate and Terry Grayson . -10 is at 64% to make the weekend we see North47 and overr8edplaya looking good for a spot at the weekend. -9 is 47% to make it all the way to Sunday. Its a star studded line up with scampi00 , hmammoth TonyDDon BMann1976 xraylucy and sportsmen10 all sitting in limbo -8 is 15% for danandsons and Vellerz to escape the watchers. -7 is 2% chance to make it but its just time rather than if. Bad news for tpluff off to Saxony. -6 or worse are cut Projected Cutline : -9 Here's hoping. I got off to a rocky start with -3 in the 1st round but managed to pull it back a bit in the 2nd. Haven't played the 3rd and 4th rounds yet, waiting to see if I make the cut first. May just barely claw my way to the weekend as you predict but it's still yet again edge of the seat time this week.
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Post by BIELSALUFC on May 11, 2016 4:08:35 GMT -5
Shot -7 in the 1st round, back to form after missing 2 cuts in a row. That disappeared in the easier 2nd round when I could only muster a -4. That round seemed as if the whole game was messing with me. Looks like I've made the cut though and I'll look forward to the neon green coloured round 3 tonight after my beloved Sunderland have secured their premiership status for another season. All fingers and toes crossed Not to mention putting your arch rivals down in the process. All in your own hands. Wont be wishing you good luck though because i still haven't forgiven you for 1973.. Come on Everton!!!!
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