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Post by Andrea on Apr 18, 2016 8:01:18 GMT -5
mrooola Moe Slorkman : guys of course my post was just my own personal take on the matter; not trying to spread the blame or anything. I just feel alarming that the Pro Tours on TGCT (a community that I deeply love) lately are posing difficulty as "toss your ball into the rough and pray for the better" more than "plan your shot after studying every inch of the course". And I'm just talking pin position and balance between green/fairway/rough firmness. You both know very well that I'm all in for tough courses when you need to be at your A+ game Don't be pissed off by my comment. Peace P.S.: Also I'd never ever dare questioning your work here
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Post by BIELSALUFC on Apr 18, 2016 8:04:16 GMT -5
mrooola you have the worse job in tgctours glad I got this gig . Next week will be fine if the winds don't act the dick on Sunday. coggin66 its been my dream to beat the -6 cut line set in week 1 of web short of putting walls around the greens i never thought It was possible ! on a serious note I just wanted to have a course to bring a different test to the table. and you succeeded. Keep up the good work Shane.
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Post by mrooola on Apr 18, 2016 8:58:10 GMT -5
mrooola Moe Slorkman : guys of course my post was just my own personal take on the matter; not trying to spread the blame or anything. I just feel alarming that the Pro Tours on TGCT (a community that I deeply love) lately are posing difficulty as "toss your ball into the rough and pray for the better" more than "plan your shot after studying every inch of the course". And I'm just talking pin position and balance between green/fairway/rough firmness. You both know very well that I'm all in for tough courses when you need to be at your A+ game Don't be pissed off by my comment. Peace P.S.: Also I'd never ever dare questioning your work here My remark wasn't aimed at you specifically Andrea or anyone else on here for that matter and I for one don't get pissed off that easily What my post was about just how much it amuses me to see how quickly this community turns and how the present always seems to dictate the future as well as the past. One week the game is too easy and it has been for months. Next week its broken and has been since the last update. The next week every design been put on tour is too difficult or tricked up and its been like that the last few weeks. It just amuse me. Own shortcomings are never included in the debate, be it if a course does not suite ones play or if you simply play bad. Its always the game or the course and its been like that for ages. The most hilarious part is that even when pointed out to some they fail to see it. I know you've been following the CC threads quite a bit, even if less lately. You've had opinions so I'm just going to assume you have. I tried getting a survey going with very little response so far but what can be concluded is that there is a WIDE opinion about what is difficult and what is not. There is also clearly a relation to personal performance on tour and perceived difficulty. One thing more that can be concluded is that overall results of the field does not necessarily equals perceived difficulty of the group who answered the survey and perhaps most importantly the amount of strokes needed on a tour event to differentiate a difficult and a easy event can be as small as 2 strokes / round. Not a big window to work with if you add wind to the equation. Now that I've typed this far I'm not sure why I did. Sorry Moe. My point is that changes affect emotions on this forum to a point where it gets humorous for me. Its fun to watch and I like to debate so all is good.
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Post by mrooola on Apr 18, 2016 8:59:36 GMT -5
Only played round 1 and can't remember my score. -4 maybe? Felt like a dreadful start, but I felt OK with it as I'd had no practice on the course and much as hmammoth I play on feel without charts, so this course don't really suite my game. Reading the posts here it seems it's not as bad as I imagined. I didn't feel as many others regarding the greens. Felt they were OK in round 1. Any hoot. I'll play the second round today now that the tour has officially started to avoid last week's debacle. dont post the wrong scores again!! No way. I still have my second round to play now when the tour is officially open. Not falling for that again! Thnx for the concern though
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Apr 18, 2016 10:03:34 GMT -5
mrooola Moe Slorkman : guys of course my post was just my own personal take on the matter; not trying to spread the blame or anything. I just feel alarming that the Pro Tours on TGCT (a community that I deeply love) lately are posing difficulty as "toss your ball into the rough and pray for the better" more than "plan your shot after studying every inch of the course". And I'm just talking pin position and balance between green/fairway/rough firmness. You both know very well that I'm all in for tough courses when you need to be at your A+ game Don't be pissed off by my comment. Peace P.S.: Also I'd never ever dare questioning your work here Hi Andrea, I know your only voicing your opinion and its welcomed buddy. Im just hoping to stop comments like "this course is sh%$ I gave up after 9 holes and killed my neighbours dog with my 7 iron" been constructive as you have makes my life easier
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Post by dh-nufc on Apr 18, 2016 10:34:13 GMT -5
This course is sh%$ I gave up after 9 holes and killed my neighbours dog with my 7 iron.
Seriously though, I appreciate the effort you put into these selections and to the designers too.
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Post by luvtogolfguy on Apr 18, 2016 11:03:05 GMT -5
I've said it before but you course schedulers have a tough job and I think you do a fine job. I came from CC about 2 months ago now, so I've got good experience w/ both tours. Both tours do a fantastic job of course selection.
That said, this weeks course is definitely different and it's the toughest I've played thus far on the Web.com Tour. The course just doesn't fit my game and that's fine. Not every course is going to and that's the way it should be. Real life golf is like that!
You can talk about unfair pin placements and greens that don't hold anything and too small of greens w/ too many tiers, and on and on.
Which, those can be talked about I guess but it's still the same for everyone!
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Post by lewis9 on Apr 18, 2016 11:48:28 GMT -5
Hey Webbers, I Played the first two rounds for a bit of practice.
R1 -5 R2 -7
Totally pointless, just for fun and I've got to say, I quite enjoyed it.
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Post by Hootbleet on Apr 18, 2016 12:13:37 GMT -5
Looking at the scorecards for all the current players at -6 for the 1st round, none had GIR >70%. So it would seem good scrambling skills are going to be the key to good scoring this week. Unfortunately it's probably going to be Thursday before I get a chance to play the opening 2 rounds, so I'll just have to watch/lurk for the time being
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Apr 18, 2016 15:05:38 GMT -5
What an interesting thread. I usually try to stay out of threads where my own course is talked about, but I couldn't resist. I have really appreciated some of the comments here, laughed at others, and even been a bit offended by a few....but hey, it all comes with the territory of hosting on TGCT. I was told to make it hard, and I did. I didn't think the greens were even that bad, so the scores were surprising. If we want to play courses with firm setups, there has to be some holes where the pin is inaccessible. We can't have every pin be put in the of the green. That's boring. I still think that some of you are just going for the flag on every hole. My multi-pins aren't set up for you to do that. If you want to, you will have to hope for a lucky bounce out of the rough...or be smart about it and play for the center of the green....I even reward that at times, as people that pay attention will get a very advantageous bounce and roll if they land it on a certain part of the green. Some of you call this tricking up...I call this strategic golf. Anyway, some of you just keep going for the flag on every hole and complain that you can't hold the green...and watch your scores rise Have fun this week Webbers!
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Post by dh-nufc on Apr 18, 2016 15:16:35 GMT -5
What an interesting thread. I usually try to stay out of threads where my own course is talked about, but I couldn't resist. I have really appreciated some of the comments here, laughed at others, and even been a bit offended by a few....but hey, it all comes with the territory of hosting on TGCT. I was told to make it hard, and I did. I didn't think the greens were even that bad, so the scores were surprising. If we want to play courses with firm setups, there has to be some holes where the pin is inaccessible. We can't have every pin be put in the of the green. That's boring. I still think that some of you are just going for the flag on every hole. My multi-pins aren't set up for you to do that. If you want to, you will have to hope for a lucky bounce out of the rough...or be smart about it and play for the center of the green....I even reward that at times, as people that pay attention will get a very advantageous bounce and roll if they land it on a certain part of the green. Some of you call this tricking up...I call this strategic golf. Anyway, some of you just keep going for the flag on every hole and complain that you can't hold the green...and watch your scores rise Have fun this week Webbers! Hi Andre, I always like to see designers defend their courses. I've only played 1 round so far but on my next round I'll see if I was right or not about being able to hold the green when going for the centre and not the pin. I'd like to know your thoughts on tiered green whereby the smallest of touches results in the ball rolling past the hole and off the green. Would you say that's an acceptable outcome for not finding the right side of the hole?
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Post by nantez88 on Apr 18, 2016 15:38:10 GMT -5
What an interesting thread. I usually try to stay out of threads where my own course is talked about, but I couldn't resist. I have really appreciated some of the comments here, laughed at others, and even been a bit offended by a few....but hey, it all comes with the territory of hosting on TGCT. I was told to make it hard, and I did. I didn't think the greens were even that bad, so the scores were surprising. If we want to play courses with firm setups, there has to be some holes where the pin is inaccessible. We can't have every pin be put in the of the green. That's boring. I still think that some of you are just going for the flag on every hole. My multi-pins aren't set up for you to do that. If you want to, you will have to hope for a lucky bounce out of the rough...or be smart about it and play for the center of the green....I even reward that at times, as people that pay attention will get a very advantageous bounce and roll if they land it on a certain part of the green. Some of you call this tricking up...I call this strategic golf. Anyway, some of you just keep going for the flag on every hole and complain that you can't hold the green...and watch your scores rise Have fun this week Webbers! Great course I played it last night it is stunning looking. You are the master of the tricked up pin positions in fairness though ;-) and I see what Andrea means. I missed the cut over Harrison Mills hole number 16 last week coz I bogied it twice and believe me I tried to play it properly even Sweeney had his only bogey there. I get that your trying to make it hard alright but sometimes it is frustrating hitting a great shot and not getting rewarded for it and having to rely on luck and aiming for the rough to hold the green is no fun at all and doesn't happen in real life. Anyway just my 2cents you are a great designer and I don't want to offend you but that's just my opinion. I get you have to make them hard so you have the most difficult job in the world coz too easy we'll complain, too hard we'll complain haha so fair play to you. Ps the 16th at Harrison is your only Horror I'd rather play Moe Slorkman Slorking Sands ;-)
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Apr 18, 2016 16:47:07 GMT -5
Well I'm very frustrated and not at the course just 3 lip outs round 2 @slymas decided to call me although he new I was playing my rounds and a bursted a 4 foot putt past the hole as a result. And on 17 a gust of wind turned a perfect shot to end in a 60+ foot putt that I didn't hit hard enough and 3 stabs later a 4 putt for my only dropped shots double bogey 5. -5 -1 -6 after 2 could of been a lot better on to the weekend that just to let you know is harder .
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Post by THESerenity21 on Apr 18, 2016 17:07:58 GMT -5
Hey everyone, my name is Nathan Bedell (Serenity21). I'm new here to the Web.com tour after being promoted by winning last week's Bushwood Open in CC-A. Never thought I'd make it this far this quick. I've still got a lot to learn but I'm having a blast playing here on TGC Tours. Wow... for my first Web tourney this course (The Nomad) is quite a challenge. I thought I was doing pretty decent until I three putted from 10 feet on hole 15. Looking back now that was an easier hole and a birdie would've put me with the present leaders at -6. Still pissed, but such is life. Looking forward to round 2 and hopefully making the cut. I'm also looking forward to posting on here more often. Thanks guys!
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Post by JohnDH on Apr 18, 2016 17:29:13 GMT -5
I refrain from criticism of designers and courses because at the end of the day, what's fair for one is fair for all. The way I choose to view this weeks event is another way to learn and get better.
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