MikeRaz
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TGCT Name: Michael Raz
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Post by MikeRaz on Mar 23, 2016 10:34:30 GMT -5
This may sound bad but I think they should put a cap on qschool. It is meant to be a qualifying school after all and what I mean is if somebody shoots a certain criteria of over par they should be sent an email saying ''unfortunately your score wasn't good enough to qualify this month, please try next month'' or something similar Maybe I'm being bad but IRL if your not good enough well tough luck keep practicing till you are. I think it would stop the sandbagging to some extent anyway. Anyway just my opinion Hope I don't offend anyone :-) As someone who isn't very good at this game, but enjoys it, if I didn't play good enough to qualify for this month, I wouldn't bother playing again next month. It would discourage a good amount of people. Sandbagging doesn't benefit anyone but their ego in this since there's no prize money or items given as a prize. So they sandbag for a while and eventually get bumped up till they aren't winning anymore.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 23, 2016 10:34:48 GMT -5
Hi guys - part of the job of being the Tournament Director is to make sure things are running smoothly. I agree in this case that Q-School was not accurate in putting him on the correct tour. I have removed him from CC-E and put him in the Web.com tour. Not something I like to do often but in such obvious cases such as this one, it's an easy decision. For the record - those scores were not shot in the official event - he played the wrong one - that is why his hole by hole scores didn't show up. Either way, no version of Magnolia is easy enough for a CC-E level player to shoot 56 so we bumped him up. I would certainly keep an eye on this guy as well because he clearly understood that this tournament was a play in for the Masters which meant he knew what he was doing when he went through Q school to get placed in CCE(or any CC level).
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 23, 2016 10:37:47 GMT -5
as much as nobody wants to admit it..TGCTours is already pretty exclusive. Look at all the inactive members. Fit in or Fuc...well..you know the rest
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 23, 2016 10:38:22 GMT -5
Hi guys - part of the job of being the Tournament Director is to make sure things are running smoothly. I agree in this case that Q-School was not accurate in putting him on the correct tour. I have removed him from CC-E and put him in the Web.com tour. Not something I like to do often but in such obvious cases such as this one, it's an easy decision. For the record - those scores were not shot in the official event - he played the wrong one - that is why his hole by hole scores didn't show up. Either way, no version of Magnolia is easy enough for a CC-E level player to shoot 56 so we bumped him up. I would certainly keep an eye on this guy as well because he clearly understood that this tournament was a play in for the Masters which meant he knew what he was doing when he went through Q school to get placed in CCE(or any CC level). I will follow this up and say that if he did this intentionally, these folks are faaaaaaaaaaar and few between. I like the idea of Nantez' scoring system. This alleviates the initial congestion of CCC or CCE levels and would place folks where they should go.
Maybe make another "Practice Tour" that everyone who fails to qualify gets put into for game improvement.
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Post by Slymas on Mar 23, 2016 10:40:56 GMT -5
Hi guys - part of the job of being the Tournament Director is to make sure things are running smoothly. I agree in this case that Q-School was not accurate in putting him on the correct tour. I have removed him from CC-E and put him in the Web.com tour. Not something I like to do often but in such obvious cases such as this one, it's an easy decision. For the record - those scores were not shot in the official event - he played the wrong one - that is why his hole by hole scores didn't show up. Either way, no version of Magnolia is easy enough for a CC-E level player to shoot 56 so we bumped him up. Doyley, while I appreciate you doing something about it here, feel its the wrong solution the lad blatantly bombed Q-school got caught doing it obviously by destroying Magnolia and instead of any reprocussions he gets straight promoted to web. Hell I'd kill for a chance to be in up in web. I just feel Sandbaggers get of lightly here as worse case scenario is they get promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:41:45 GMT -5
That's all well and good. And then what? Do they get their PGA card taken away from them? What will be the consequences other than people pointing at him going "shame on you cheater?" And then how do you prove this beyond any shadow of a doubt? We're just walking a very slippery slope here and believe me, I hate cheaters more than anybody. But I also understand burden of proof and a lot of other legal crap that I wish I didn't. Like I said, very slippery slope we're walking here. Wags if it was up to me I would have them named and shamed as I don't think sitting on the fence with splinters in my arse is the best way to nip this kind of thing in the bud. You prove this by the fact that nobody goes straight from the lower levels to the top with win after win in this game unless they are masking their true level. The lads on here do a great job on this site and its always down to a sad small minority that have to cheat the system and ruin things for everyone else. I think there should be zero tolerance really and flat out bans for anyone gaming the system, would you agree? For instance our friend leading CC-E with no API data, if he turns out to be proven cheating and not some crazy glitch then its a life ban end of story I agree. Proven cheaters (hard to do beyond any reasonable doubt) should be banned. Zero tolerance. One strike and you're out. But then there's this poor schmuck John Doe just gets TGC. He loves the game. He really sucks at it though. He registers for Q School and does horribly and is put in E Class. Feeling totally embarrassed and humiliated, he goes off and practices his ass off. I've been told by the top players that mastering this game at a certain level doesn't take more than month. So after 4 solid weeks of doing nothing but playing golf from 7 AM to 12 midnight (because he has no life) and watching every video, and reading all the golf charts, and because this game simply takes no physical skill other than pulling a joystick back and pushing it forward, he is suddenly able to shoot low 60s with no problem. He registers for his first event in E class and smokes the rest of the field who probably play this game in their spare time. See the problem? You had to see my play when I first started. And because I have a business to run, I can't play TGC all day. That's why it's taken me so long to get to where I am. But somebody who has nothing better to do can go from shooting 80s to 60s inside of no time. I don't want to be the one to call this poor guy a cheater because he worked his tail off for 4 weeks in order to get to the point where he will eventually end up in the PGA. Is that the norm? Are those players going to be common place? Of course not. But you can't discount the possibility. So unless you're 100% positive that somebody is cheating, you really need to be careful about making accusations.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 23, 2016 10:47:14 GMT -5
Wags if it was up to me I would have them named and shamed as I don't think sitting on the fence with splinters in my arse is the best way to nip this kind of thing in the bud. You prove this by the fact that nobody goes straight from the lower levels to the top with win after win in this game unless they are masking their true level. The lads on here do a great job on this site and its always down to a sad small minority that have to cheat the system and ruin things for everyone else. I think there should be zero tolerance really and flat out bans for anyone gaming the system, would you agree? For instance our friend leading CC-E with no API data, if he turns out to be proven cheating and not some crazy glitch then its a life ban end of story I agree. Proven cheaters (hard to do beyond any reasonable doubt) should be banned. Zero tolerance. One strike and you're out. But then there's this poor schmuck John Doe just gets TGC. He loves the game. He really sucks at it though. He registers for Q School and does horribly and is put in E Class. Feeling totally embarrassed and humiliated, he goes off and practices his ass off. I've been told by the top players that mastering this game at a certain level doesn't take more than month. So after 4 solid weeks of doing nothing but playing golf from 7 AM to 12 midnight (because he has no life) and watching every video, and reading all the golf charts, and because this game simply takes no physical skill other than pulling a joystick back and pushing it forward, he is suddenly able to shoot low 60s with no problem. He registers for his first event in E class and smokes the rest of the field who probably play this game in their spare time. See the problem? You had to see my play when I first started. And because I have a business to run, I can't play TGC all day. That's why it's taken me so long to get to where I am. But somebody who has nothing better to do can go from shooting 80s to 60s inside of no time. I don't want to be the one to call this poor guy a cheater because he worked his tail off for 4 weeks in order to get to the point where he will eventually end up in the PGA. Is that the norm? Are those players going to be common place? Of course not. But you can't discount the possibility. So unless you're 100% positive that somebody is cheating, you really need to be careful about making accusations. I don't think you could have been more offensive to many people here than you just were. It's great that you have a business to run but not everyone who has some time to put into the game has no life man. I would recommend you think about what you say before you start typing.
PS - You don't have to play 10 hours a day to get good at this game in short order.
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Post by feng187 on Mar 23, 2016 10:47:18 GMT -5
Hi guys - part of the job of being the Tournament Director is to make sure things are running smoothly. I agree in this case that Q-School was not accurate in putting him on the correct tour. I have removed him from CC-E and put him in the Web.com tour. Not something I like to do often but in such obvious cases such as this one, it's an easy decision. For the record - those scores were not shot in the official event - he played the wrong one - that is why his hole by hole scores didn't show up. Either way, no version of Magnolia is easy enough for a CC-E level player to shoot 56 so we bumped him up. I would certainly keep an eye on this guy as well because he clearly understood that this tournament was a play in for the Masters which meant he knew what he was doing when he went through Q school to get placed in CCE(or any CC level). Heman, both you and I know for a fact that he knew exactly what he was doing and as usual the guys that have the balls to speak up about it are made look like the bad guys. There must be something there as he's off to Web now then, I wonder if he will get a win up there this week or knock someone out of the exemption spots or cause someone to miss the cut.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 23, 2016 10:49:05 GMT -5
Wags if it was up to me I would have them named and shamed as I don't think sitting on the fence with splinters in my arse is the best way to nip this kind of thing in the bud. You prove this by the fact that nobody goes straight from the lower levels to the top with win after win in this game unless they are masking their true level. The lads on here do a great job on this site and its always down to a sad small minority that have to cheat the system and ruin things for everyone else. I think there should be zero tolerance really and flat out bans for anyone gaming the system, would you agree? For instance our friend leading CC-E with no API data, if he turns out to be proven cheating and not some crazy glitch then its a life ban end of story I agree. Proven cheaters (hard to do beyond any reasonable doubt) should be banned. Zero tolerance. One strike and you're out. But then there's this poor schmuck John Doe just gets TGC. He loves the game. He really sucks at it though. He registers for Q School and does horribly and is put in E Class. Feeling totally embarrassed and humiliated, he goes off and practices his ass off. I've been told by the top players that mastering this game at a certain level doesn't take more than month. So after 4 solid weeks of doing nothing but playing golf from 7 AM to 12 midnight (because he has no life) and watching every video, and reading all the golf charts, and because this game simply takes no physical skill other than pulling a joystick back and pushing it forward, he is suddenly able to shoot low 60s with no problem. He registers for his first event in E class and smokes the rest of the field who probably play this game in their spare time. See the problem? You had to see my play when I first started. And because I have a business to run, I can't play TGC all day. That's why it's taken me so long to get to where I am. But somebody who has nothing better to do can go from shooting 80s to 60s inside of no time. I don't want to be the one to call this poor guy a cheater because he worked his tail off for 4 weeks in order to get to the point where he will eventually end up in the PGA. Is that the norm? Are those players going to be common place? Of course not. But you can't discount the possibility. So unless you're 100% positive that somebody is cheating, you really need to be careful about making accusations. I don't see this as a guy practicing his ass off and getting better...I see this as a guy who tried to manipulate the system. The fact he is getting rewarded for doing so kinda leaves a sour taste in my mouth
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Post by Slymas on Mar 23, 2016 10:49:38 GMT -5
I would certainly keep an eye on this guy as well because he clearly understood that this tournament was a play in for the Masters which meant he knew what he was doing when he went through Q school to get placed in CCE(or any CC level). Heman, both you and I know for a fact that he knew exactly what he was doing and as usual the guys that have the balls to speak up about it are made look like the bad guys. There must be something there as he's off to Web now then, I wonder if he will get a win up there this week or knock someone out of the exemption spots or cause someone to miss the cut. It pisses me off that he's now straight into web. I'm trying my hardest to climb and get up there and this lad gets caught sandbagging and his punishment is the reward im trying to work for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:52:22 GMT -5
I agree. Proven cheaters (hard to do beyond any reasonable doubt) should be banned. Zero tolerance. One strike and you're out. But then there's this poor schmuck John Doe just gets TGC. He loves the game. He really sucks at it though. He registers for Q School and does horribly and is put in E Class. Feeling totally embarrassed and humiliated, he goes off and practices his ass off. I've been told by the top players that mastering this game at a certain level doesn't take more than month. So after 4 solid weeks of doing nothing but playing golf from 7 AM to 12 midnight (because he has no life) and watching every video, and reading all the golf charts, and because this game simply takes no physical skill other than pulling a joystick back and pushing it forward, he is suddenly able to shoot low 60s with no problem. He registers for his first event in E class and smokes the rest of the field who probably play this game in their spare time. See the problem? You had to see my play when I first started. And because I have a business to run, I can't play TGC all day. That's why it's taken me so long to get to where I am. But somebody who has nothing better to do can go from shooting 80s to 60s inside of no time. I don't want to be the one to call this poor guy a cheater because he worked his tail off for 4 weeks in order to get to the point where he will eventually end up in the PGA. Is that the norm? Are those players going to be common place? Of course not. But you can't discount the possibility. So unless you're 100% positive that somebody is cheating, you really need to be careful about making accusations. I don't think you could have been more offensive to many people here than you just were. It's great that you have a business to run but not everyone who has some time to put into the game has no life man. I would recommend you think about what you say before you start typing.
PS - You don't have to play 10 hours a day to get good at this game in short order.
Please man, get a grip. I was referring to people who do nothing but play TGC from wakeup to bedtime 7 days a week. If that's all they do then what kind of life do they really have? I certainly didn't offend anybody who is a typical player. And if you're offended, I'm sorry. Sheesh, people here are so damn touchy. And no, you don't have to play 10 hours a day to get good at this game. Further proves my point. This guy could have just played long enough to get to where he needed to be, came back to the tour to compete and tore up the field in his first tourney. All I'm saying is it could happen that way and it doesn't mean the guy was a sandbagger. Man, some people really need to get a grip.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 23, 2016 10:53:27 GMT -5
I'm proof you can play this game with one arm..and still score well
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 23, 2016 10:54:08 GMT -5
Heman, both you and I know for a fact that he knew exactly what he was doing and as usual the guys that have the balls to speak up about it are made look like the bad guys. There must be something there as he's off to Web now then, I wonder if he will get a win up there this week or knock someone out of the exemption spots or cause someone to miss the cut. It pisses me off that he's now straight into web. I'm trying my hardest to climb and get up there and this lad gets caught sandbagging and his punishment is the reward im trying to work for. I think Doyley has only two options in these cases, kick him completely or put him where he should have been placed. It is more of a second chance and I can see why he does it. Much like a few folks who sandbagged in Web got auto promoted to Euro where they should have been but didn't want to go. I guess they will now play where they should be at or quit the game because they can't dominate like they wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 10:55:23 GMT -5
I'm proof you can play this game with one arm..and still score well Yeah, but you're a freaking Martian and we all know that Jim. I'm gonna start calling you Jim Jones.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 23, 2016 10:56:29 GMT -5
It pisses me off that he's now straight into web. I'm trying my hardest to climb and get up there and this lad gets caught sandbagging and his punishment is the reward im trying to work for. I think Doyley has only two options in these cases, kick him completely or put him where he should have been placed. It is more of a second chance and I can see why he does it. Much like a few folks who sandbagged in Web got auto promoted to Euro where they should have been but didn't want to go. I guess they will now play where they should be at or quit the game because they can't dominate like they wanted to. I do like the fact this guy isn't able to pad his trophy cabinet..I do however frown upon rewarding someone for trying to manipulate the system
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