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Post by Brighttail on Feb 14, 2016 17:01:45 GMT -5
After showing Anthony a video of a putt that broke from right to left, hit the edge and bounced right, he looked into it and found an error in the code.
Apparently for some shots when it hit the edge of the hole, it would switch an integer from + to a - and cause this unrealistic result.
This is the statement I got.
So I've looked into this a little. It's a small Unity bug that if an object (the ball) hits a piece of mesh (The green/cup lip) at a certain place, at a certain angle, at a certain speed. The direction axis is flipped from a minus to a plus for some reason.
I've contacted Unity about it, it's in their code so we'll need then to fix that.
As you can see sending videos in to HB can result in them finding stuff they never knew.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 14, 2016 17:20:02 GMT -5
Never noticed, I just hit the middle of the cup
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 18:43:37 GMT -5
So a putt that you should have missed will still miss, just will have the proper looking miss. I have noticed this happen a few times, but i have noticed the majority (but not all) of complaints about putts jumping over the top of the hole have come from pc players.
Maybe this bug is affecting/influencing/causing these putts that skip over the hole??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 18:44:33 GMT -5
I think i have only ever had one putt that Ron is describing.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 14, 2016 19:03:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth I have experienced this as well so thx Ron for helping push a fix!
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 14, 2016 19:04:44 GMT -5
Good to hear it's getting fixed.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 14, 2016 19:07:04 GMT -5
I have seen this before but I have been flushing most of mine lately
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 14, 2016 20:04:59 GMT -5
Yes the putt should have missed but my point in this is this... Apparently Unity is the engine they use for TGC. There are things that happen that they have no idea are happening. They also probably don't have the means to check every little complaint if we are just saying something on the boards. I had told Keith and Anthony many times about this 'bug' and nothing was ever done until I finally was able to get a video of it happening. Now that they knew what it looked like, they could go into my round, on that shot and scrub the data and find out what was going wrong. It was ONLY then they could see the error in the computation and work to get it fixed.
All that being said there are other bugs out there that I have NOT been able to get video of, most important to me is the ball going into the hole and yet I end up with a 1 inch putt. (3 times). Other shots like going across the center of the hole, not bouncing, hopping or reacting is another issue that I haven't been able to get on video because the replay shows something different.
With people like Bradley, Brionne, IChaoz and many others claiming that something has changed with putting, I have to agree that something has changed, but none of us can put our finger on it. HB isn't looking into it cause we have nothing concrete, but if this one bug exists where a ball redirects incorrectly, I have to wonder how many other bugs exists? If Unity makes a small update on their engine, does or can it effect the game without HB knowing? If HB makes a small change unrelated to putting, could that have an unintended consequence somewhere else? Who knows? My suggestion is if you see something weird and can get a video of it, do it and send it into HB. It seems that it is the only way that will get something fixed.
Also on a different subject, squirt has apparently been turned down, but not taken out completely. Sadly for some people it has actually gotten worse. Brionne told me he has quit the TGC Tours because of it. Playing him every few days I see it first hand happening to him. On my screen it shows he is hitting outside the red and his ball reacts that way. On his screen he white lined it and yet it reacts like he hit outside the red.
For me since the PC patch I have lost about 4-5 shots per round due to putting. I've simply been unable to adjust to the new putting style and when I thought I had it, something seemed to change. So I play, don't play and just chug along until I hope HB figures out what is going on.
Give HB FEEDBACK.
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Post by boomboom on Feb 14, 2016 20:23:51 GMT -5
Where does this say it will be fixed, all they did was blame unity. Ok fair enough, but seems to me it will head in the same direction as the amd graphics issue. Unity obviously needs to fix it, not HBS is all I see.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 14, 2016 20:32:09 GMT -5
Where does this say it will be fixed, all they did was blame unity. Ok fair enough, but seems to me it will head in the same direction as the amd graphics issue. Unity obviously needs to fix it, not HBS is all I see. He said he sent it off to unity but it woudl be next patch before it is fixed. Apparently it is a pretty easy code fix, just switch the + and -.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 23:16:48 GMT -5
Also on a different subject, squirt has apparently been turned down, but not taken out completely. Sadly for some people it has actually gotten worse. Brionne told me he has quit the TGC Tours because of it. Playing him every few days I see it first hand happening to him. On my screen it shows he is hitting outside the red and his ball reacts that way. On his screen he white lined it and yet it reacts like he hit outside the red. For me since the PC patch I have lost about 4-5 shots per round due to putting. I've simply been unable to adjust to the new putting style and when I thought I had it, something seemed to change. So I play, don't play and just chug along until I hope HB figures out what is going on. Is it really that bad? I find it disheartening that a quality player and upstanding person as Brionne has lost interest over this. I have not played PC much since the PS4 fixed the swing where you didn't have to jam the crap on your forward swing. Hope they figure it out and straighten it out. Odd that I almost do not notice any ball squirt, but hear that others feel an increase on another platform. Hope it has not become imbalanced. It would be a loss to the community to lose players like yourself or Brionne. I remember learning a lot from watching a Brionne video way back when I was new.
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Post by code3 on Feb 14, 2016 23:21:48 GMT -5
Never noticed, I just hit the middle of the cup LMAO... nice Doyley. I guess some people cant see the sun for the specs on the window? Also, I kinda have to agree with the putting thing. I played TOwens in match play a while back and for 2 days it was like I had never learned to putt at all, and I was all over the place. And then for the tournaments it was like the "feel" of it had went back to "normal" if you will..... It was very strange.............
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Post by Andrea on Feb 15, 2016 3:25:07 GMT -5
Being thorough like this, Brighttail, is a great "service" you're providing to every player in the community. A big THANK YOU for the time you've putt (pun intended ) into this. About putting, if I may add, I have sometimes this super-weird sensation that some funky stuff is course-related. It's very subtle but to me there's no doubt that from time to time something is completely off on TGC coding.
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Post by tastegw on Feb 15, 2016 4:08:46 GMT -5
I think the putts that go over the center of the hole were just hit too hard.
Take a poll of pC players who have that problem, I'd bet most of them are mouse users.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 15, 2016 5:06:37 GMT -5
This is definitely an issue on PC and I've experienced it numerous times. I blame my graphics card for some of it..but there is a glitch there for sure that needs to be fixed. I was playing blueorfe in a match play game recently and had one roll directly over the center on the hole..couldn't have hit a better putt. Bradley jumped to comment right away about it. I think if he hadn't seen it for himself he wouldn't have believed it.
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