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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 12, 2016 14:16:27 GMT -5
Well that escalated quickly!!
Good to see so many points of view I'm sure there is a middle ground. Oswinner in my mind has hit the nail on the head mandatory till close to end of session as the only reason you wouldn't take them is because your close to the top in web and will go up anyway !
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Post by gavlaar124 on Jan 12, 2016 15:10:54 GMT -5
Well that escalated quickly!! Good to see so many points of view I'm sure there is a middle ground. Oswinner in my mind has hit the nail on the head mandatory till close to end of session as the only reason you wouldn't take them is because your close to the top in web and will go up anyway ! don't be bigging up the oswinner he's big headed enough as it is!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 15:21:16 GMT -5
I do live on the road that leads to Old Big 'Ed way to be fair.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 12, 2016 15:33:52 GMT -5
So if we bunch everything together the rule would be.
Exemptions are mandatory exept when there not mandatory which is after July when no exemptions will be passed down or before July if the pick list is marked to no sponsors exemption in which case the exemption will be passed down and they get a chicken!
Have I got it all in there simple enough!
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Post by yaters on Jan 12, 2016 16:22:42 GMT -5
I think they should be mandatory. There are a few exceptions that should be part of the equation (like what part of the season, etc). I do like the idea of a profile option that lets someone not earn exemptions and others can take them. However, it feels like people that choose that route should only get half the money for tour performance or half the WGR advancement.
Personally I find it confusing that each flight has different rules. It would be nice if it were the same from CC to CC+, CC to Web and from Web to PGA/Euro.
I had one exemption, got really lucky to make it, and now sit in the back of the pack trying to figure out how to get better.
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Post by c6vette2010 on Jan 12, 2016 16:42:04 GMT -5
My vote was mandatory with no ifs, and, or buts.
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Post by mrooola on Jan 12, 2016 17:03:46 GMT -5
I said it in the other thread. Much like oswinner did here, although not the same. Exemptions should be mandatory for x% of the season. 75-80 ish. After that optional. I also like to see wins = promotion, but I guess that is a different topic.
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Post by unclefester75 on Jan 12, 2016 20:42:50 GMT -5
I just don't understand it. If i get an exemption, who cares if i use it or not? Is this a big problem right now? On average,how many folks are not using their exemptions? I would like to see some data on it.
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Post by yaters on Jan 12, 2016 21:11:23 GMT -5
I just don't understand it. If i get an exemption, who cares if i use it or not? Is this a big problem right now? On average,how many folks are not using their exemptions? I would like to see some data on it. It isn't a big problem, but it is a problem in my opinion. If someone is good enough to consistently finish top 5, but never chooses to try and earn a PGA or Euro card with the exemption, they are taking that chance from someone else. I'm sure there would be a myriad of motivations for this, but it feels somewhat unfair to those that don't get the exemption chance.
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Post by unclefester75 on Jan 12, 2016 22:48:16 GMT -5
I just don't understand it. If i get an exemption, who cares if i use it or not? Is this a big problem right now? On average,how many folks are not using their exemptions? I would like to see some data on it. It isn't a big problem, but it is a problem in my opinion. If someone is good enough to consistently finish top 5, but never chooses to try and earn a PGA or Euro card with the exemption, they are taking that chance from someone else. I'm sure there would be a myriad of motivations for this, but it feels somewhat unfair to those that don't get the exemption chance. Is this happening? Are there players we need to call out on this? Has anyone witnessed players who have not taken an exemption multiple times or are we arguing something that does not exist? I don't know, this is only my 3rd week on the Web.
What about players who wait until the cut line is near established and choose to not register so they don't miss the cut? I think this is also possible. What is better, to miss a cut or to not play at all (in terms of WGR & money list)?
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Post by yaters on Jan 12, 2016 23:13:12 GMT -5
It isn't a big problem, but it is a problem in my opinion. If someone is good enough to consistently finish top 5, but never chooses to try and earn a PGA or Euro card with the exemption, they are taking that chance from someone else. I'm sure there would be a myriad of motivations for this, but it feels somewhat unfair to those that don't get the exemption chance. Is this happening? Are there players we need to call out on this? Has anyone witnessed players who have not taken an exemption multiple times or are we arguing something that does not exist? I don't know, this is only my 3rd week on the Web.
What about players who wait until the cut line is near established and choose to not register so they don't miss the cut? I think this is also possible. What is better, to miss a cut or to not play at all (in terms of WGR & money list)?
I'm not going to call out names. You can take a look at the season leaderboard or past tournaments and figure it out. But I don't think it is a malicious choice or someone trying to rack up money on a tour they know they can do very well in. That has been suggested and perhaps it is a motivation for some people - don't know. I've not been someone that lost out on a chance at exemption though. I suck most of the time and the one time I did well, I took my shot at the next level. My honest opinion is some people don't visit the forums here much, maybe they haven't thought about what their choices are doing, or just don't feel comfortable talking with everyone because of language differences or shyness or whatever. Maybe they just don't know what is going on. Shoot, I'm here all the time and I don't have a clue about half the stuff that goes on behind the scenes. My best performance on the CC tour I got a DQ because I did a flop shot on the green and had no idea I couldn't do that I think the situation is amplified on the Web.com tour. We are one step from the big show and all the great players in the game. One step from a lot of player's ultimate goal to make it to the PGA or Euro. For some, it is a rapid rise through the various tours and logical they will get a chance. For others, it is a long and hard road to get here and get a chance at the next level. So I can understand losing that chance because someone didn't do what most would feel is the logical choice. (I only say logical because the poll seems to indicate about 75% of people feel you should take the exemption). Not an easy scenario to design for. I work as a Product Manager for a software company, and we typically use the 80/20 rule....design to make sure you cover 80% of the common use cases and then fill in the 20% edge cases later. The issue here is the edge case (someone doesn't choose to try and move up) has a lot of attention and is emotional for some people. It's just a game, but people invest a lot of time and effort into it. I don't mean to be preachy at all - these are just my opinions. But I will say that I think a lot of people take for granted the amount of work that has gone into this community. Coming up with rules that have worked very well for the wide range of players and skills, choosing courses, running events, etc. There is just so much additional content provided above and beyond the core game....and they never ask for money (I have tried a couple of times). It is remarkable. Think about trying to craft a system like the one they provide us from scratch...hundreds if not thousands of man hours go into it. It is why I try not to complain about anything. I don't know if there is a system that everyone will like. I'll support whatever they decide though. And if the new proposal goes through I'll be back here on the Web real soon. I just freaking suck a duck right now and can't make a putt over 5 feet. For the PGA, I won't make many cuts like that.
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Post by ErixonStone on Jan 13, 2016 10:10:05 GMT -5
In all forms of recreational sports competition, there are some people who would rather compete in a lower division with a high likelihood of winning than in a higher division where they would be unlikely to win. There are other people who want to challenge themselves to play against the very best and see where they stack up.
It's all about what each person deems to be fun - and it's not the same for everyone. I don't think it's in the best interest of TGCTours to dictate what constituted fun for anyone.
In the real world, no one would skip an exemption to play on a Pro Tour because there is a real difference in real money. Here, we're all competing against one another for standings that will lead to zero real dollars. So, in TGCTours world, the only commodity anyone has is the enjoyment of the game. And the game is enjoyed differently for everyone. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks (Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?).
I understand that it is frustrating for the guys that want to move up to PGA/Euro and miss out on an exemption because another good player decided to forego his exemption and placed in the top 5. But TGCTours has to consider that other player's enjoyment of the game too. Besides, we know the Web.com Tour is nearly as good as the PGA and Euro tours, so have fun with us for awhile. Relax and shoot 4 more great rounds.
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Post by Driver8 on Jan 21, 2016 6:17:25 GMT -5
I wonder if incentives for the pro tours are needed. Not sure what they could be though... The only thing I can think of at the moment is to make it impossible for anyone on web to have a higher WGR ranking than those on the PGA/EURO. Will probably break the system though I guess....
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 21, 2016 7:41:43 GMT -5
I wonder if incentives for the pro tours are needed. Not sure what they could be though... The only thing I can think of at the moment is to make it impossible for anyone on web to have a higher WGR ranking than those on the PGA/EURO. Will probably break the system though I guess.... I'm not sure if this is needed with the new WGR system. The lower tours not has points reduced.
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Post by Driver8 on Jan 21, 2016 8:22:43 GMT -5
I wonder if incentives for the pro tours are needed. Not sure what they could be though... The only thing I can think of at the moment is to make it impossible for anyone on web to have a higher WGR ranking than those on the PGA/EURO. Will probably break the system though I guess.... I'm not sure if this is needed with the new WGR system. The lower tours not has points reduced. You're probably right.. A word of caution though, anyone who proclaims to understand the workings of the WGR I'll have tried as a witch and burned!
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