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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 11:06:37 GMT -5
How are you doing for Strikes Wagtunes? You have one right? Just take the screw it approach. Worst case you get another strike then have the following week to try and erase them. Thats not the best advice, but if the course is causing you that much aggravation it may be best to just go at it with a who cares approach. I'm kind of doing the same. I actually do ok on the course, it's the Thursday setups I struggle with, Sunday I can usually go bogey free and end up under par. I was lucky enough to erase all strikes last week so I am going at Yuchi with a who cares approach, still going to do my best, but I am not going to let it stress me. I had to stop playing the course for a few days, I was trying to hard to best my own scores and frustrating myself. Only just started to play it again today, not doing to well I might add. lol I have one strike but that doesn't mean anything. The tourneys I don't get strikes in are the exception. That I finished top 30 in the one was a miracle. I still don't know how I managed that with the scores that players are putting up in E class. I still don't know what these guys are doing down so low when they're shooting 30 under par but whatever. I'm tired of beating my head against that stone wall. It is what it is. As for Yuchi, that's exactly what I'm going to do, go into it with a whatever attitude because I can't beat this course. I've tried everything. The greens are simply terrible, period. Between the insane breaks and the added firmness on Sunday and some of those impossible "no good angle" approach shots, I just want to throw my controller through the screen. But this all points to a bigger problem with the game itself, sad to say. With the easy swing mechanic and the ability to dial in shots, courses like these are the only way to give golfers any kind of a challenge. Unfortunately, it beats the crap out of all of us who aren't that good to begin with. Bottom Line: This course would never exist on the PGA Tour. Not in a thousand years.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 22, 2015 13:24:55 GMT -5
I'm figuring out the Sunday pin...can usually go -3 to -5 on it now...I'll take an even par round come the tournament. I'll rely on my mastery of the Thursday pin..which come the tournament will likely be -2 or -3 compared to -9 or -10 in practice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 13:26:43 GMT -5
I'm figuring out the Sunday pin...can usually go -3 to -5 on it now...I'll take an even par round come the tournament. I'll rely on my mastery of the Thursday pin..which come the tournament will likely be -2 or -3 compared to -9 or -10 in practice. Okay, so what's the secret to conquering the Sunday pin?
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Post by Andrea on Dec 22, 2015 13:47:54 GMT -5
After reading this thread I was so curious about Yuchi Valley that I had to try. I had just one round on the Sunday setup with a friend of mine who plays in CC-D (I'm on Euro, but not at all an "elite" ) and here's what I think. - Winds were between 8 and 12MPH during the round - for both of us was the first time on this course. I ended up with -8 (or -10) and my friend I think E-The Sunday setup is clearly above CC level - I'd say almost Euro/PGA, if not Euro/PGA. Honestly though I'd say if the winds stays below 14-15MPH the approach shots are all pretty fair - tough but fair. You "just" need to have your calculation spot-on (and I mean totally) and know exactly how this greens bounce and roll. Putting, then, is totally another beast (187feet greens, if I remember correctly, is definitely too much on CC). On the approach shots almost every green offers 20 to 30 yards to bounce before the flag (I never found myself in need to bounce off the green or in the rough), and also where the shape is not regular, most of the times the slopes could be used to make the ball roll towards the pin. From a designing point of view I think this is good work honestly. If you take off 7-10 yards (with headwind) and 12-15 yards (with tailwind or no wind) I think you'll find yourself 4-10 feet tops from the hole on at least 12/13 holes...than I'll bet you'll have 5-6 makable putts So what I'd say to @wagtunes and other players that are struggling on Yuchi is that is completely fine to hit a wall with this one. Everyone of us was there, everyone of us was struggling, everyone of us was so pissed off with the game. Then step by step, watching and listening more experienced players, we learn the game and build confidence. That's not a game about skills or reflexes I think - it's just about math, a ton of practice and (the consequent) experience On top of that I think whoever is struggling has every right to ask in the Clubhouse section for tips as much as needed. There's a lot of great players willing to share. For what (little) is worth, as I was in the unconfortable-pissed position myself just 7 months ago, I'm willing to share everything I learned and everything I do...as I believe sharing his the core of the TGCT community. Just my 2cents though
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Post by TimB on Dec 22, 2015 13:48:39 GMT -5
For me, its club down, loft up. I tend to play the greens very short, even relying on a bounce and roll from the fairway to green transition. If I don't make the green, I can flop it close enough for a tap in par, or get lucky on a chip. I play it for par, hope to get a few shots close enough to snag a birdie. Seems to work for me, I average -5 there. edited to add for sake of it. I am totally golfed out today. About 7 rounds on Yuchi (thurs to sundays) One round of Magnolia Par 3 (-3) One round of Magnolia National Sunday -5 (trying to beat my -8) Few holes of Merion (sp) 20 mph winds...exit One round of Emirates (CC course in a couple weeks), 1'st ever play -8..easy course /done golfing today, wore out lol/ Okay, so what's the secret to conquering the Sunday pin?
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Post by Andrea on Dec 22, 2015 14:23:53 GMT -5
I'm figuring out the Sunday pin...can usually go -3 to -5 on it now...I'll take an even par round come the tournament. I'll rely on my mastery of the Thursday pin..which come the tournament will likely be -2 or -3 compared to -9 or -10 in practice. Okay, so what's the secret to conquering the Sunday pin? Here's what I'll do on this conditions. Let's be concrete. > 126 yards to the pin - 12MPH blowing from N-E to S-W <
From the calculation (in this case WIND STRENGTH x 1.5 and add) I'd assume I'd have to add roughly 18 yards to the pin distance, and so the pin rectangle would be at 144 yards. I'd assume that a wind of 12MPH blowing against me would stop my ball faster than normal so I'd take off about 5-6 yards more for a total of 138 yards. Now I'd shift on to the approaching camera and start studying the green. I'd count the grid rectangles (1 = 4 feet) to see if the ball would have enough room to bounce and roll as I thought. If there is I'd take the 5 Iron, loft it up 2 and a half "bars", aim right for the wind and shoot. If there isn't enough room, as I know my 3 Iron at maximum loft hits 148 yard, I'd probably aim 2-3 yards off the green on the fairway. In this case I'd even more careful with calculations (maybe going through the whole shot again) because I don't want to hit the avant green. Everything BUT the avant green. Another example > 181 yards to the pin - 8MPH blowing from South to North (straight tailwind) <
The same process. Calculation (WIND x 1.5 and subtract): 181 - 12 = 168 yards. Now on the bounce/roll with tailwind I'd take 12-13 yards so I'd assume I'd have to land at roughly 155. I want the gentler approaching angle possible to minimize the roll so I'd take my 3 Iron and loft it up 3 and a half bars (153 yards carry distance) and shoot. And so on... You're gonna need a loft chart like this and the will to spend time practicing. Then you'll learn that from the Lob Wedge to the Pitching Wedge the ball will tend to bounce high and short and backspin (or roll few yards in super fast conditions). From ) Iron to 7 Iron the roll is greater than LW, SW and PW but "smaller" than the longer irons. You'll learn that lofting up a 5 Wood or a 3 Wood in a headwind will lift the trajectory up, shorten the carry distance and get you a softer bounce and a "more friendly roll"....and a ton of other things
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 14:24:48 GMT -5
After reading this thread I was so curious about Yuchi Valley that I had to try. I had just one round on the Sunday setup with a friend of mine who plays in CC-D (I'm on Euro, but not at all an "elite" ) and here's what I think. - Winds were between 8 and 12MPH during the round - for both of us was the first time on this course. I ended up with -8 (or -10) and my friend I think E-The Sunday setup is clearly above CC level - I'd say almost Euro/PGA, if not Euro/PGA. Honestly though I'd say if the winds stays below 14-15MPH the approach shots are all pretty fair - tough but fair. You "just" need to have your calculation spot-on (and I mean totally) and know exactly how this greens bounce and roll. Putting, then, is totally another beast (187feet greens, if I remember correctly, is definitely too much on CC). On the approach shots almost every green offers 20 to 30 yards to bounce before the flag (I never found myself in need to bounce off the green or in the rough), and also where the shape is not regular, most of the times the slopes could be used to make the ball roll towards the pin. From a designing point of view I think this is good work honestly. If you take off 7-10 yards (with headwind) and 12-15 yards (with tailwind or no wind) I think you'll find yourself 4-10 feet tops from the hole on at least 12/13 holes...than I'll bet you'll have 5-6 makable putts So what I'd say to @wagtunes and other players that are struggling on Yuchi is that is completely fine to hit a wall with this one. Everyone of us was there, everyone of us was struggling, everyone of us was so pissed off with the game. Then step by step, watching and listening more experienced players, we learn the game and build confidence. That's not a game about skills or reflexes I think - it's just about math, a ton of practice and (the consequent) experience On top of that I think whoever is struggling has every right to ask in the Clubhouse section for tips as much as needed. There's a lot of great players willing to share. For what (little) is worth, as I was in the unconfortable-pissed position myself just 7 months ago, I'm willing to share everything I learned and everything I do...as I believe sharing his the core of the TGCT community. Just my 2cents though I would love to show you videos of mine where approach shots landed in front of the green, a good 10 to 15 yards in front, and still bounced and rolled all the way to the back of the green and into the rough or sand. But I'm glad you conceded that this course is above CC level. Makes me feel a little better.
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Post by Andrea on Dec 22, 2015 14:37:25 GMT -5
After reading this thread I was so curious about Yuchi Valley that I had to try. I had just one round on the Sunday setup with a friend of mine who plays in CC-D (I'm on Euro, but not at all an "elite" ) and here's what I think. - Winds were between 8 and 12MPH during the round - for both of us was the first time on this course. I ended up with -8 (or -10) and my friend I think E-The Sunday setup is clearly above CC level - I'd say almost Euro/PGA, if not Euro/PGA. Honestly though I'd say if the winds stays below 14-15MPH the approach shots are all pretty fair - tough but fair. You "just" need to have your calculation spot-on (and I mean totally) and know exactly how this greens bounce and roll. Putting, then, is totally another beast (187feet greens, if I remember correctly, is definitely too much on CC). On the approach shots almost every green offers 20 to 30 yards to bounce before the flag (I never found myself in need to bounce off the green or in the rough), and also where the shape is not regular, most of the times the slopes could be used to make the ball roll towards the pin. From a designing point of view I think this is good work honestly. If you take off 7-10 yards (with headwind) and 12-15 yards (with tailwind or no wind) I think you'll find yourself 4-10 feet tops from the hole on at least 12/13 holes...than I'll bet you'll have 5-6 makable putts So what I'd say to @wagtunes and other players that are struggling on Yuchi is that is completely fine to hit a wall with this one. Everyone of us was there, everyone of us was struggling, everyone of us was so pissed off with the game. Then step by step, watching and listening more experienced players, we learn the game and build confidence. That's not a game about skills or reflexes I think - it's just about math, a ton of practice and (the consequent) experience On top of that I think whoever is struggling has every right to ask in the Clubhouse section for tips as much as needed. There's a lot of great players willing to share. For what (little) is worth, as I was in the unconfortable-pissed position myself just 7 months ago, I'm willing to share everything I learned and everything I do...as I believe sharing his the core of the TGCT community. Just my 2cents though I would love to show you videos of mine where approach shots landed in front of the green, a good 10 to 15 yards in front, and still bounced and rolled all the way to the back of the green and into the rough or sand. But I'm glad you conceded that this course is above CC level. Makes me feel a little better. I know how it feels, believe me. The best advice I can throw (and I repeat, I'm not elite at all - just want to help as best as I can cause I've been in those situations ) is clubbing and lofting up as much as you can and see if it gets better. Sometimes it will not (in tailwinds for example), but when it will you'll have the birdie chances you'll need. It's not an easy process (clubbing and lofting up). it requires time to adapt and lots of "trial and error" practice days
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Post by HeMan1202 on Dec 22, 2015 14:59:06 GMT -5
Unless you are landing short in heavy rough, landing short of the green will automatically shoot your ball across the green in fast conditions. You need to land the ball on the green short enough to play the bounce and roll out. On tight pins, you either play for the long putt or for the chip.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 22, 2015 15:00:11 GMT -5
I'm figuring out the Sunday pin...can usually go -3 to -5 on it now...I'll take an even par round come the tournament. I'll rely on my mastery of the Thursday pin..which come the tournament will likely be -2 or -3 compared to -9 or -10 in practice. Okay, so what's the secret to conquering the Sunday pin? Play the par 3's and par 4's for par and play high loft with proper calculations is key. It requires more than just select grip and rip. It is by far the toughest we have seen in CC since I joined this site. Really shouldn't even be part of this tournament to be honest. I think 4 round on the Thursday pin with varying winds would prove a tough test for most of us in CC. Play your roll out...pick the ample spots on the greens..lag putt with finesse...and play for par and you'll get through Sunday 71 or better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 15:16:32 GMT -5
Another round, 6 over.
I am totally lost out there now.
Going to tee off again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 16:14:02 GMT -5
Okay, so I printed out the loft chart and used it. Shot 9 over.
It will take me at least 3 months to learn how to play that chart correctly, which means it's not an option for this tourney.
I am literally at my wits end with this course. And trying to learn Sunday's has totally messed up my game on Thursday. I can't even break par there anymore because it's like literally playing two different courses and my head is totally fried trying to keep them both straight.
I just don't see the point of playing, knowing I will get another demotion strike with one more after that tossing me into Z class.
So it is very doubtful I will play this one unless I am really, really bored and have nothing better to do.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 22, 2015 16:37:30 GMT -5
Okay, so I printed out the loft chart and used it. Shot 9 over. It will take me at least 3 months to learn how to play that chart correctly, which means it's not an option for this tourney. I am literally at my wits end with this course. And trying to learn Sunday's has totally messed up my game on Thursday. I can't even break par there anymore because it's like literally playing two different courses and my head is totally fried trying to keep them both straight. I just don't see the point of playing, knowing I will get another demotion strike with one more after that tossing me into Z class. So it is very doubtful I will play this one unless I am really, really bored and have nothing better to do. Stick it out and just play it. Take your lumps. It's hard but not playing because you feel defeated really isn't any way to get better. Tuck your shirt in...roll up your sleeves and own it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 16:43:56 GMT -5
Okay, so I printed out the loft chart and used it. Shot 9 over. It will take me at least 3 months to learn how to play that chart correctly, which means it's not an option for this tourney. I am literally at my wits end with this course. And trying to learn Sunday's has totally messed up my game on Thursday. I can't even break par there anymore because it's like literally playing two different courses and my head is totally fried trying to keep them both straight. I just don't see the point of playing, knowing I will get another demotion strike with one more after that tossing me into Z class. So it is very doubtful I will play this one unless I am really, really bored and have nothing better to do. Stick it out and just play it. Take your lumps. It's hard but not playing because you feel defeated really isn't any way to get better. Tuck your shirt in...roll up your sleeves and own it Spoken like that guy who charged head long into a squadron of Panzer tanks. LOL.
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Post by bogeyman on Dec 22, 2015 16:58:02 GMT -5
Good advice from Tim right there. You're playing the course too much and it's getting to you. Frustration is your worst enemy. Back off, leave it alone. You know the course pretty well by now so I would even say don't play it again until the actual tourney and then just watch out for the trouble spots you are already aware of and be as careful as possible. Don't be too aggressive on the Sunday setup. Good luck!
Edit. Sorry Tims advice was waaaay back. I didn't realise there was another page otherwise I would have quoted.
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