caspariius
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Post by caspariius on Nov 16, 2015 16:14:40 GMT -5
Just created a practice tour for next week at St. Lorin on PS4.
(St. Lorin - S2 W7 Practice).
4 Rounds, proper course multi-pin variation, have fun!.
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caspariius
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Post by caspariius on Nov 16, 2015 16:47:14 GMT -5
Tried a round there, the speed of greens, putting lines etc are not awful, some long shots into the wind but HOLY ELEVATION CHANGES BATMAN... utterly brutal. Makes some approach shots really hard and in high winds super testing, interesting course though. One thing I have noticed is that on a lot of shots, especially irons, i'm frequently hitting shots at around 91-94% power. This has literally never been a problem for me before and it's happening for the first time on this course, weird...
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 16, 2015 19:21:06 GMT -5
Dropped an ace in practice on the rainy pin placement
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 17, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -5
Just created a practice tour for next week at St. Lorin on PS4. (St. Lorin - S2 W7 Practice). 4 Rounds, proper course multi-pin variation, have fun!. Did you use the version 4 or 4.01 for the 4th round?
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Post by caspariius on Nov 17, 2015 12:13:22 GMT -5
I think I put in 4.01, is that the right one?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 14:56:42 GMT -5
There's really no difference between the two versions with the exception of the view on the sixth hole tee box
But 4.01 is the official latest released course.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 18, 2015 15:06:48 GMT -5
There's really no difference between the two versions with the exception of the view on the sixth hole tee box But 4.01 is the official latest released course. Just wondering why you felt the need to so drastically change the green speed for the 4th pin placement?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 16:21:21 GMT -5
There's really no difference between the two versions with the exception of the view on the sixth hole tee box But 4.01 is the official latest released course. Just wondering why you felt the need to so drastically change the green speed for the 4th pin placement? The green speeds affect the entire course, not an individual green. Now, as far as pin placement ... There are four different days, four different pin locations, for each different day and weather condition. Typically the final day has some of the toughest pen location and fastest green speeds. and having said that, the green speeds are still not @ the fastest settings. The 4th hole was meant to be a challenge. As under certain wind conditions, it is an easy to reach par 5. And can be a real easy birdie hole, when played well. And in my opinion, A very fair PAR hole, under any wind conditions.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 18, 2015 16:28:46 GMT -5
Just wondering why you felt the need to so drastically change the green speed for the 4th pin placement? The green speeds affect the entire course, not an individual green. Now, as far as pin placement ... There are four different days, four different pin locations, for each different day and weather condition. Typically the final day has some of the toughest pen location and fastest green speeds. and having said that, the green speeds are still not @ the fastest settings. The 4th hole was meant to be a challenge. As under certain wind conditions, it is an easy to reach par 5. And can be a real easy birdie hole, when played well. And in my opinion, A very fair PAR hole, under any wind conditions. I think you missed my point. Not questioning any one hole...I'm questioning why you chose the settings of firm/fast(compared to the other 3 setups) for the final course setup? Just find the 4th setup to be non-receptive to almost any shot into the green with the pin placements. The combination of extremely firm greens and rollout make it next to impossible to stop the ball. Not knocking the setup...just questioning the need to place the trickiest spots for pins..and couple it with firm and fast greens. Was it an attempt to "buy back" strokes? I've shot anywhere from -5 to +10 on this setup depending on the winds. If the winds get high...you've got little to no chance of holding any green when you have to club up because of the green speeds. The course is beautiful...just don't think some levels of CC are going to be to receptive too the 4.01 setup when compared to the other 3 course set ups. Again...just one person's opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 17:41:20 GMT -5
Because again, This was/is a tournament/championship styled course. All four versions have differences in tee box location and pin placement. Even the objects, like boats, whales and Critters change per course.
The final day of any tournament course is typically the toughest day with the hardest conditions to test the golfer. Note also that the weather conditions fit the green speeds. The last day is clear conditions and had two days for the greens to dry out and firm up.
Very realistic, and the green speeds are not sped up drastically. Max speed settings would be 187 foot.
The settings are very fair for all four versions of the course. and the settings for the four courses are as follows:
Course #1 is 6818 yards long, weather is Overcast. Green Speed is set at 11:00 position [137 ft max putter] Slope is set at 3:00 Position Firmness is set at 11:30 position (medium) Flag Pin rotation: #1)Back; #2)Front; #3)Middle ... repeat
Course #2 is 6792 yards long, weather is Rainy. Green Speed is set at 9:30 position [116 ft max putter] Slope is set at 2:00 Position Firmness is set at 10:30 position (medium/soft) Flag Pin rotation: #1)Front; #2)Middle; #3)Back ... repeat
Course #3 is 6857 yards long, weather is Dry. Green Speed is set at 12:30 position [152 ft max putter] Slope is set at 3:30 Position Firmness is set at 12:00 position (medium) Flag Pin rotation: #1)Middle; #2)Back; #3)Front ... repeat
Course #4.01 is 6873 yards long, weather is Clear. Green Speed is set at 2:30 position [164 ft max putter] Slope is set at 3:30 Position Firmness is set at 1:30 position (medium hard) Flag Pin rotation: #1)Back; #2)Front; #3)Middle ... repeat
Note: This course was created when there was no separation of Fairway/Green firmness settings.
Also note: I am a CC:E golfer and still managed a 68 in 5-8MPH winds ... and I suck, but do have the advantage of course knowledge .... LOL
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 18, 2015 18:13:04 GMT -5
Also note: I am a CC:E golfer and still managed a 68 in 5-8MPH winds ... and I suck, but do have the advantage of course knowledge .... LOLThe course is VERY playable under those conditions.....add about 10-15mph to those winds..and watch that 68 become an 86 in a hurry Again...was just questioning the firmer greens/faster greens/pin placement combo...the pin placements alone would have made the course tougher for the 4th round in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 18:22:39 GMT -5
Also note: I am a CC:E golfer and still managed a 68 in 5-8MPH winds ... and I suck, but do have the advantage of course knowledge .... LOLThe course is VERY playable under those conditions.....add about 10-15mph to those winds..and watch that 68 become an 86 in a hurry Again...was just questioning the firmer greens/faster greens/pin placement combo...the pin placements alone would have made the course tougher for the 4th round in my opinion All my courses are designed with HIGH WINDS in mind. And designed for Par to be a good score under High Wind conditions. Plus, not one of these courses are excessively long, all being under 6900 yards ... They do require to be able to shot-shape with fades and draws to play the wind. In low winds, these courses are a Birdie fest. So, I feel we will agree to disagree on what constitutes a challenging, but fair course.
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Post by csabo17 on Nov 18, 2015 23:44:38 GMT -5
I agree with flyer about not being able to land and hold the green. Some tough pin spots added with the firm/fast green. Im willing to bet the greens in reg on this one will be way down. I know im having tons of trouble holding the green when going after pins. Course looks awesome though.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 19, 2015 0:00:41 GMT -5
I agree with phlyer about not being able to land and hold the green. Some tough pin spots added with the firm/fast green. Im willing to bet the greens in reg on this one will be way down. I know im having tons of trouble holding the green when going after pins. Course looks awesome though. I've had many shots hit the front of the green and roll right off the back into the back fringe and rough...even on shots with medium distance(7/8iron). These shouldn't roll out as much as they do. The 4.01 setup plays to par more than it should in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 5:48:51 GMT -5
Then, I say this was exactly what I was designing the course for.
Par is what the score is. Exceptional play is rewarded with birdies. This was not meant to play easy on the last round. If I would have had a green firmness, and a fairway firmness setting at the time this course was created, the final round of play would not have been much different.
You call it as bad thing for a course rendering "par" as a good score (especially on a final round on a championship course).
From a Designer stand point, I take that as a job well done. As too many courses are way too damn easy, considering this was a course that was under 6900 yards. This is a "badge of honor" accomplishment. To make a course hard and fair, without tricked out (Ice skating rink) greens, pin placement, or length.
There is the use of slope, and not the need of red lines. Learn the greens, and you will find they play the same on each course. The pins are moved but the greens are really consistent for all four courses.
Sorry you feel "Par" for the course a bad thing.
And I know that there are those, that will still post sub-par scores, even in high winds, Just I won't ever be the one. And I really hope none of the 4 allows for a sub 65 ... As those are scores that a "pro" should be posting.
Hackers in the CC tour shouldn't be gifted with sub 60 scores ever, on any course. And 65 should be considered a hard score to beat, on any given day!
That is the course design strategy I dream of and attempt to achieve.
As for the firmness and speed settings ... I went into my published courses archive and created this short vide to provide proof the settings were not max'd out to be extreme.
Maybe, the tournament directors wouldn't mind if I did a quick update to the courses just to adjust the firmness and green settings using the newer adjustments for both Green and Fairway fimness.
And then, I could slow down and soften up the greens, so you can throw darts at the pin on the final day ....
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