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Post by Doyley on Nov 26, 2015 0:04:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure the problem is with how players are assigned out of Q-school. No matter what courses, format or length (within reason) you pick for Q-school there is no easy way to predict the speed of people's progress. This is all pretty rough in my head.... but If I would change anything, it's the way that promotions are handed out in CC-B to CC-E. I agree good players aren't being promoted fast enough... My idea would be to do away with the current procedure of being promoted up one tier for finishing in X place or above. Instead, the CC tiers would be re-balanced every month based on each player's average finishing position for the month on the Master CC leaderboard (e.g.: all tiers combined). Top 20% would be assigned to CC-A for the next month, next 20% CC-B, and so on. CC-A promotions to Web would stay as per usual. You'd have to play a minimum of two events to be counted, or you stay in the same tier. Thoughts? I would think you'd get just as many complaints rebalancing once a month as good/improving players would be stuck in lower flights for 2 or 3 events in row. Re-balancing weekly would be too much the other way as people would lose track of what flight they are in week to week and rivalries would be harder to develop. Love hearing the ideas - just playing devils advocate for a few
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 7:23:58 GMT -5
This is going to sound really stupid but I have no idea how to move the marker. I don't even use it. I just kind of developed a feel for how far back to pull the putter depending on the speed of the green and the elevation. My problem isn't as much with that as it is with the break. I miss so many putts by inches because of the breaks and nothing else. And it's not just the severe breaks. Even small breaks give me fits beyond 5 feet. you move the marker left/right to aim I assume? Just move it up/down to set it further/closer. Once you start doing that you'll begin your next step in your journey. Nope. As I said, don't know how to use the marker and don't use it. Have no idea how to move it. I look at where the pin is, look at the break on the green, check the distance, check how much up or down hill and guess. Is there some kind of command to move the marker? I use the Xbox 360 controller. What key do I press? How do I move it? And then, after I move it, how do I interpret it's position? Right now, that marker means nothing to me and might as well be turned off.
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Post by Doyley on Nov 26, 2015 7:28:48 GMT -5
you move the marker left/right to aim I assume? Just move it up/down to set it further/closer. Once you start doing that you'll begin your next step in your journey. Nope. As I said, don't know how to use the marker and don't use it. Have no idea how to move it. I look at where the pin is, look at the break on the green, check the distance, check how much up or down hill and guess. Is there some kind of command to move the marker? I use the Xbox 360 controller. What key do I press? How do I move it? And then, after I move it, how do I interpret it's position? Right now, that marker means nothing to me and might as well be turned off. Does that mean you shoot every putt dead straight? I don't understand how you are not Aiming left or right for breaks on the green.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 26, 2015 8:10:28 GMT -5
you move the marker left/right to aim I assume? Just move it up/down to set it further/closer. Once you start doing that you'll begin your next step in your journey. Nope. As I said, don't know how to use the marker and don't use it. Have no idea how to move it. I look at where the pin is, look at the break on the green, check the distance, check how much up or down hill and guess. Is there some kind of command to move the marker? I use the Xbox 360 controller. What key do I press? How do I move it? And then, after I move it, how do I interpret it's position? Right now, that marker means nothing to me and might as well be turned off. LOL! I don't mean to laugh but man, no wonder you are not having any fun. I think it is pretty funny that you have accused people of cheating when you don't even know how to play the game. You move the marker by using he d-pad or your other analog stick. Just move it the opposite way the beads are rolling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 9:29:44 GMT -5
Nope. As I said, don't know how to use the marker and don't use it. Have no idea how to move it. I look at where the pin is, look at the break on the green, check the distance, check how much up or down hill and guess. Is there some kind of command to move the marker? I use the Xbox 360 controller. What key do I press? How do I move it? And then, after I move it, how do I interpret it's position? Right now, that marker means nothing to me and might as well be turned off. LOL! I don't mean to laugh but man, no wonder you are not having any fun. I think it is pretty funny that you have accused people of cheating when you don't even know how to play the game. You move the marker by using he d-pad or your other analog stick. Just move it the opposite way the beads are rolling. I move the putter head when I putt. If you're referring to that big colored thing in the back that moves along with the putter head, I pay no attention to it. I don't know how to read it and don't know what it's for. If I see the green is breaking right to left, I move the putter head right and shoot so that the ball goes right to left and hopefully into the hole. I don't look at that colored thing in the back of the pin marker if that's what you're referring to.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 26, 2015 10:20:54 GMT -5
Yeah man, you are way off on this. You will never be accurate putting if you are trying to push your analog stick in the direction you want the ball to go. You have to move the yellow marker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 10:51:20 GMT -5
Yeah man, you are way off on this. You will never be accurate putting if you are trying to push your analog stick in the direction you want the ball to go. You have to move the yellow marker. Excuse me if I'm just a stupid idiot but correct me if I'm wrong. As an example. I have a 17 foot putt. It's up hill with about a 5 inch upgrade. The green is breaking sharp from right to left, meaning those lines going across are really moving fast. I pick up my XBox 360 controller and I press that big round thing with the cross in the middle of it to "move" my club either right or left. Yes, that marker moves when I do this but it means nothing to me. It tells me nothing about how far back to pull the stick to make the shot. I even pushed that cross thing forward and backward to line the marker up even with the hole itself so that they both show the same distance. So what? It still tells me nothing. I still have to figure out on my own how far back to pull the stick to make the shot. I have no idea what use that marker serves. And as far as my "accusing" people of cheating, I'm not accusing anybody of anything, I just find it strange that the same people who qualified for Q School with me, being put in the same class, and thus presumably being as bad as I am (yes, I am a bad player and don't need YOU to point that out to me, thank you) should be shooting -28 to -40 while I'm struggling to break par. Read what you want into that. But it's either one of 3 things. 1) Q School is a totally inadequate way to class people. 2) Players are sandbagging Q School 3) These players miraculously all of a sudden became champs overnight. 3 is unlikely and 1 is plausible but 2 is where I'm putting my money.
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 26, 2015 11:26:56 GMT -5
Ok I know there's a video out there that explains it...but I can't find the damn thing. Hopefully someone can help me here. From what I understand, the marker will help set the power of your putt. For example, if you have the marker 10 feet away from you...you make a putting stroke that WOULD normally send the ball 11 feet, it gets rounded down to 10....or if you make a lighter swing that would send it 9 feet, that would also go the 10 feet you had set out for it. So yes, it does matter, and definitely should start to mean something to you if you want to improve putting.
My method after learning more about the marker is this: if you have a 10 foot putt, that is 2 inches downhill, the ideal is to move the marker about 2 feet in front of the hole. If you have a 10 foot putt that is 2 inches uphill, move the marker 2 feet PAST the hole to make sure it gets there. It's about a foot for every inch, except for huge downhill putts, then it's more.
Obviously if you really crank a putt or barely touch it, the marker will not save you, but it serves to round off putting strokes that are very close to the length you wanted.
Hopefully someone will correct anything in here that is inaccurate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:37:39 GMT -5
Ok I know there's a video out there that explains it...but I can't find the damn thing. Hopefully someone can help me here. From what I understand, the marker will help set the power of your putt. For example, if you have the marker 10 feet away from you...you make a putting stroke that WOULD normally send the ball 11 feet, it gets rounded down to 10....or if you make a lighter swing that would send it 9 feet, that would also go the 10 feet you had set out for it. So yes, it does matter, and definitely should start to mean something to you if you want to improve putting. My method after learning more about the marker is this: if you have a 10 foot putt, that is 2 inches downhill, the ideal is to move the marker about 2 feet in front of the hole. If you have a 10 foot putt that is 2 inches uphill, move the marker 2 feet PAST the hole to make sure it gets there. It's about a foot for every inch, except for huge downhill putts, then it's more. Obviously if you really crank a putt or barely touch it, the marker will not save you, but it serves to round off putting strokes that are very close to the length you wanted. Hopefully someone will correct anything in here that is inaccurate. This is all well and good. It still doesn't tell me how far back to pull the stick. It also doesn't tell me how far right or left to shift my putt so that it breaks the proper amount to get in the hole. The marker only helps so much. The rest is learning how far back, left and right to put the stick. And it seems that this is my biggest problem in the game. I think I have a putt lined up properly but it either goes inches to the right or left of the cup or doesn't reach or goes too far on just about anything over 5 feet. Every once in a while I get lucky and sink a 30 footer but I have absolutely no idea how I did it or what I did to make the putt so accurate. I can dial in drives and approach shots. The only thing that gives me trouble with those is strong winds blowing left to right or right to left. head and tail winds don't give me much trouble as long as I hit straight and calculate my distances correctly given every drive or approach is pretty much 100%. But you can't do 100% with putting. The mechanic was built more sensitive than driving and everything else. On fast greens, you can pull the stick back a fraction and the ball goes flying. On slow greens you have to almost ram it. There is too much variance between the different putting surfaces and I don't see how a marker is going to solve my problems because of that one fact.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 26, 2015 11:38:52 GMT -5
Yeah man, you are way off on this. You will never be accurate putting if you are trying to push your analog stick in the direction you want the ball to go. You have to move the yellow marker. Excuse me if I'm just a stupid idiot but correct me if I'm wrong. As an example. I have a 17 foot putt. It's up hill with about a 5 inch upgrade. The green is breaking sharp from right to left, meaning those lines going across are really moving fast. I pick up my XBox 360 controller and I press that big round thing with the cross in the middle of it to "move" my club either right or left. Yes, that marker moves when I do this but it means nothing to me. It tells me nothing about how far back to pull the stick to make the shot. I even pushed that cross thing forward and backward to line the marker up even with the hole itself so that they both show the same distance. So what? It still tells me nothing. I still have to figure out on my own how far back to pull the stick to make the shot. I have no idea what use that marker serves. And as far as my "accusing" people of cheating, I'm not accusing anybody of anything, I just find it strange that the same people who qualified for Q School with me, being put in the same class, and thus presumably being as bad as I am (yes, I am a bad player and don't need YOU to point that out to me, thank you) should be shooting -28 to -40 while I'm struggling to break par. Read what you want into that. But it's either one of 3 things. 1) Q School is a totally inadequate way to class people. 2) Players are sandbagging Q School 3) These players miraculously all of a sudden became champs overnight. 3 is unlikely and 1 is plausible but 2 is where I'm putting my money. I am not trying to argue with you. When asked the question, do you move the marker left/right, you said "nope." Based on that answer, I assumed you didn't move the marker at all, silly me. Your statement of people sandbagging Q school is a reach. Maybe a handful could do this but I would bet most everyone plays Q school after just getting the game as the TGC offers no competitive mode, therefor they find TGCT. The learning and getting better comes after finding TGCT and learning via experience and the tips and tricks thread (I suggest you start there). Aside from that, every tour level is going to have a top half and a bottom half, if you are mad about being in the bottom half, learn to play the game instead of "accusing" (yes, the very first post of this thread accuses) people of cheating or sandbagging.
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Post by naldy89 on Nov 26, 2015 11:41:37 GMT -5
Until you start using the marker to correctly manage your distances on the greens you will continue to struggle. Head over to the Tips forum and do some searching/reading.
Trust me, I was struggling big time and now I'm up on CC-A!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:44:01 GMT -5
Until you start using the marker to correctly manage your distances on the greens you will continue to struggle. Head over to the Tips forum and do some searching/reading. Trust me, I was struggling big time and now I'm up on CC-A! All I see is a tips forum for designers.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 26, 2015 11:48:34 GMT -5
Until you start using the marker to correctly manage your distances on the greens you will continue to struggle. Head over to the Tips forum and do some searching/reading. Trust me, I was struggling big time and now I'm up on CC-A! All I see is a tips forum for designers. Under Driving Range, there is a tips and tricks thread. A lot of helpful information. There are also some good threads specifically for putting and the marker.
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 26, 2015 11:49:02 GMT -5
Ok I know there's a video out there that explains it...but I can't find the damn thing. Hopefully someone can help me here. From what I understand, the marker will help set the power of your putt. For example, if you have the marker 10 feet away from you...you make a putting stroke that WOULD normally send the ball 11 feet, it gets rounded down to 10....or if you make a lighter swing that would send it 9 feet, that would also go the 10 feet you had set out for it. So yes, it does matter, and definitely should start to mean something to you if you want to improve putting. My method after learning more about the marker is this: if you have a 10 foot putt, that is 2 inches downhill, the ideal is to move the marker about 2 feet in front of the hole. If you have a 10 foot putt that is 2 inches uphill, move the marker 2 feet PAST the hole to make sure it gets there. It's about a foot for every inch, except for huge downhill putts, then it's more. Obviously if you really crank a putt or barely touch it, the marker will not save you, but it serves to round off putting strokes that are very close to the length you wanted. Hopefully someone will correct anything in here that is inaccurate. This is all well and good. It still doesn't tell me how far back to pull the stick. It also doesn't tell me how far right or left to shift my putt so that it breaks the proper amount to get in the hole. The marker only helps so much. The rest is learning how far back, left and right to put the stick. And it seems that this is my biggest problem in the game. I think I have a putt lined up properly but it either goes inches to the right or left of the cup or doesn't reach or goes too far on just about anything over 5 feet. Every once in a while I get lucky and sink a 30 footer but I have absolutely no idea how I did it or what I did to make the putt so accurate. I can dial in drives and approach shots. The only thing that gives me trouble with those is strong winds blowing left to right or right to left. head and tail winds don't give me much trouble as long as I hit straight and calculate my distances correctly given every drive or approach is pretty much 100%. But you can't do 100% with putting. The mechanic was built more sensitive than driving and everything else. On fast greens, you can pull the stick back a fraction and the ball goes flying. On slow greens you have to almost ram it. There is too much variance between the different putting surfaces and I don't see how a marker is going to solve my problems because of that one fact. Well at least we've concluded that there's nothing in-game that can be used to better your putting...so now it's all down to practice! Hopefully you don't give up...even if it's a slow process.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 26, 2015 12:02:15 GMT -5
Ok I know there's a video out there that explains it...but I can't find the damn thing. Hopefully someone can help me here. From what I understand, the marker will help set the power of your putt. For example, if you have the marker 10 feet away from you...you make a putting stroke that WOULD normally send the ball 11 feet, it gets rounded down to 10....or if you make a lighter swing that would send it 9 feet, that would also go the 10 feet you had set out for it. So yes, it does matter, and definitely should start to mean something to you if you want to improve putting. My method after learning more about the marker is this: if you have a 10 foot putt, that is 2 inches downhill, the ideal is to move the marker about 2 feet in front of the hole. If you have a 10 foot putt that is 2 inches uphill, move the marker 2 feet PAST the hole to make sure it gets there. It's about a foot for every inch, except for huge downhill putts, then it's more. Obviously if you really crank a putt or barely touch it, the marker will not save you, but it serves to round off putting strokes that are very close to the length you wanted. Hopefully someone will correct anything in here that is inaccurate. This is all well and good. It still doesn't tell me how far back to pull the stick. It also doesn't tell me how far right or left to shift my putt so that it breaks the proper amount to get in the hole. The marker only helps so much. The rest is learning how far back, left and right to put the stick. And it seems that this is my biggest problem in the game. I think I have a putt lined up properly but it either goes inches to the right or left of the cup or doesn't reach or goes too far on just about anything over 5 feet. Every once in a while I get lucky and sink a 30 footer but I have absolutely no idea how I did it or what I did to make the putt so accurate. But you can't do 100% with putting. The mechanic was built more sensitive than driving and everything else. On fast greens, you can pull the stick back a fraction and the ball goes flying. On slow greens you have to almost ram it. There is too much variance between the different putting surfaces and I don't see how a marker is going to solve my problems because of that one fact. That's why the putting is the best part of this game, because the only way you can learn how much putts will break/how hard to hit them on different green speeds is through experience. I can post a video of a few putts (if you want) that might give you some guidance, but it genuinely is trial and error and it's pretty much impossible to "master" it Heck, even those of us who've been playing for a year have days where nothing will drop.
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