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Post by TeeToGreens.com on Oct 26, 2015 14:46:13 GMT -5
Ok all i hear is everyone that plays TGC wants the "Feel" of real golf as much as the game dev can provide ... I think the Tour directors should be providing the same to it`s members and LOOKING at the course chosen for tour play. This week`s event @ Cuyahoga Golf Club is not all fair to all players as per PGA guide line as fair hole placements. "Factors Affecting Hole Location According to Rule 15-3, the most important factor when deciding where to place a hole is “good judgment in deciding what will give fair results.” The USGA also admonishes tournament officials not to be "tricky" when choosing hole locations. Toward those objectives, Rule 15-3 advises officials to examine the green’s design and to consider the type of approach shot required. Officials should consider the length of the likely approach shot and should allow sufficient putting distance around the hole. For example, the hole will typically be placed farther from the edge of the green when the expected approach shot requires a long iron rather than a more lofted club, according to PGA official Mickey Bradley. Weather conditions also are factored in. For example, greens will hold an approach better when they’re wet. More specifically, Rule 15-3(ii) recommends that holes should be placed "at least four paces from any edge of the putting green," and even farther if there's a sand trap near the edge or if the area surrounding the green's edge slopes downward. also USGA link for hole location : www.usga.org/RulesFAQ/rules_answer.asp?FAQidx=143&Rule=16The hole placements on this course at least for round one are a joke ,, this course is tough enough with small fairways over water shots and uphill downhill shot that it does NOT need silly hole placements that most on the front 9 seem to be 6-7ft away from the front fringe. and tour directors need to take note. Thanks
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Post by Pubknight on Oct 26, 2015 16:15:16 GMT -5
It's generally not a good idea to talk about the rules of golf without referencing the actual rules of golf. Rule 15-3 deals with playing the wrong ball ( link) Rule 16 deals with the Putting Green on the whole, but there is absolutely nothing in there mentioning pin placements. In short: There is no rule of golf about pin placements. At all. Anywhere. linkThe third line in what you linked says this: "There are no rules regarding hole locations, so there is no such thing as an "illegal" hole location"What you linked is a page saying there are no rules, there are guidelines. Now, even with that said, the general guidelines also get thrown out the window for professional golf tournaments... which is what Cuyahoga is being used for.
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Post by Tim on Oct 26, 2015 16:28:58 GMT -5
You guys are the "BEST" 150 golfers of the 1500 that actively play on these tours. It just BAFFLES me that we still have some that cannot or do not want to embrace the challenge of a course like this.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Oct 26, 2015 16:32:31 GMT -5
This week`s event @ Cuyahoga Golf Club is not all fair to all players We are all playing the same course, in the same conditions. That is the very definition of fair
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Post by TeeToGreens.com on Oct 26, 2015 18:24:49 GMT -5
This week`s event @ Cuyahoga Golf Club is not all fair to all players We are all playing the same course, in the same conditions. That is the very definition of fair I promise you this much.. you will never see this kind of crap course played on any PGA scheduled tournament so your comment is about null and daaa
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Post by TeeToGreens.com on Oct 26, 2015 18:26:19 GMT -5
We are all playing the same course, in the same conditions. That is the very definition of fair Also a typical reply back from someone that most likely has no life and sits and plays TGC all day and night as it seems you do
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Post by splittailace on Oct 26, 2015 18:42:50 GMT -5
Come on guys. Let's keep it civil in here.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Oct 26, 2015 18:48:24 GMT -5
Last time I checked, we were playing virtual golf, not real golf. If you don't like the course, then crossover. Maybe we should just do Little Brook Manor every week
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Post by boomboom on Oct 26, 2015 19:03:12 GMT -5
For the record, I personally think it should be a course like this every week. It makes you sweat out the round and play every shot type and highlights any and all weaknesses you may have in the game. Then men and the boys definitely got separated this week. Great selection, absolutely the best PGA tour course selection so far.
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Post by blackaces13 on Oct 26, 2015 21:11:40 GMT -5
Didn't take you long to get personal, and in response to a post that was 100% on topic.
Why bring something up if you're incapable of discussing it like an adult?
If you can't manage your way around the toughest courses then play somewhere else.
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Post by CGilb on Oct 26, 2015 22:20:45 GMT -5
I again only have one problem with a course like this:
When players are meaning to miss the green on the short side with attempt to get a 7 ft chip (which we all know is not as easy in real life as it is in this game), there is a fundamental problem with the course design as it correlates to THIS video game.
I don't want to miss to the short side of the green because as someone who plays golf IRL, I will struggle to make bogey at that point. Yeah, I will also make birdie in some of those cases, but this is not in the spirit of golf. I am trying to get a 20+ foot putt first, but I will probably miss that putt while the chipper out of deep rough will birdie
That is not what the designer had in mind, and that is not the kind of challenge we on the PGA should be looking at. There are other courses that I find to be challenging without this kind of tucking that rewards missing the green on that short side.
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Post by TeeToGreens.com on Oct 27, 2015 0:35:37 GMT -5
Last time I checked, we were playing virtual golf, not real golf. If you don't like the course, then crossover. Maybe we should just do Little Brook Manor every week "Last time I checked, we were playing virtual golf not real golf." Funny you say that accordingly to a few comments on read on TGC boards the mass majority don`t want 3 click in the game because it`s not " the real golf experience" which is it then? you can`t have your cake and eat it too.
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Post by hammo24983 on Oct 27, 2015 0:44:42 GMT -5
Ok all i hear is everyone that plays TGC wants the "Feel" of real golf as much as the game dev can provide ... I think the Tour directors should be providing the same to it`s members and LOOKING at the course chosen for tour play. This week`s event @ Cuyahoga Golf Club is not all fair to all players as per PGA guide line as fair hole placements. "Factors Affecting Hole Location According to Rule 15-3, the most important factor when deciding where to place a hole is “good judgment in deciding what will give fair results.” The USGA also admonishes tournament officials not to be "tricky" when choosing hole locations. Toward those objectives, Rule 15-3 advises officials to examine the green’s design and to consider the type of approach shot required. Officials should consider the length of the likely approach shot and should allow sufficient putting distance around the hole. For example, the hole will typically be placed farther from the edge of the green when the expected approach shot requires a long iron rather than a more lofted club, according to PGA official Mickey Bradley. Weather conditions also are factored in. For example, greens will hold an approach better when they’re wet. More specifically, Rule 15-3(ii) recommends that holes should be placed "at least four paces from any edge of the putting green," and even farther if there's a sand trap near the edge or if the area surrounding the green's edge slopes downward. also USGA link for hole location : www.usga.org/RulesFAQ/rules_answer.asp?FAQidx=143&Rule=16The hole placements on this course at least for round one are a joke ,, this course is tough enough with small fairways over water shots and uphill downhill shot that it does NOT need silly hole placements that most on the front 9 seem to be 6-7ft away from the front fringe. and tour directors need to take note. Thanks I personally loved the challenge. You wouldn't want to play a course like this every week, just like you wouldn't want a course where -70 wins every week. The variety is fantastic and what keeps it interesting. This course made me think more than I ever have on TGCTOURS, and I think that's a great thing. I understand it's not for everyone though
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Oct 27, 2015 3:50:26 GMT -5
Also a typical reply back from someone that most likely has no life and sits and plays TGC all day and night as it seems you do Whereas sitting at your computer typing out a long post about pin positions in a golfing computer game is what all the cool kids are doing right now
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Post by NCFCRulz on Oct 27, 2015 11:05:38 GMT -5
Also a typical reply back from someone that most likely has no life and sits and plays TGC all day and night as it seems you do out of curiosity can you explain how writing a very reasonable, rational, and CORRECT response is indicative of someone who has no life? I don't get that. Fwiw people who play TGC are BETTER than RL golfers. We can stick the ball to within 10 ft of the pin 90% of the time. No one in real life can come close to that so that is why we need more challenging pin locations than those in real life.
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