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Post by Doyley on Jul 5, 2015 20:11:06 GMT -5
chat away!
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jul 5, 2015 20:36:32 GMT -5
73 and 72 for +5... Unbelievably I'm not ruling that out yet to make the cut!
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mlhartzell
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Post by mlhartzell on Jul 5, 2015 23:09:51 GMT -5
Decided to play a few holes before bed in high winds on this brute of a course. After double bogeying #1, actually uttered the phrase "LOL!" out loud to myself, a first I believe. Fought back to -1 at some point then decided to head to bed. This course needs your utmost focus. I'm nowhere near that. Looking forward to the challenge this week.
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Post by theduke21 on Jul 6, 2015 0:37:52 GMT -5
69-69-67-67 for me. Could've been better had I not been so mad at the course the whole tournament. This is one of those where I played the course once before the tournament and decided to get my rounds over with as quickly as possible so I could move on to the next one. This just wasn't real golf. Good luck to all.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jul 6, 2015 6:10:11 GMT -5
-53 isn't real golf either.
I like when the elite players are shooting in the high 60s. Your rounds look completely reasonable to me, for a change. Needing multiple rounds in the 50s to contend is lame IMO.
Edit: FWIW, I played a practice round last night and shot +4 in 12-15 MPH winds. The course is a brute but I thoroughly enjoyed it and think I can knock several strokes off that score when it counts.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 6, 2015 6:13:09 GMT -5
-53 isn't real golf either. I like when the elite players are shooting in the high 60s. Your rounds look completely reasonable to me, for a change. Needing multiple rounds in the 50s to contend is lame IMO. It's certainly nice for a change Mike. This will be a test of mental toughness this week where you will to have to take your medicine on a lot of holes.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 6, 2015 7:08:39 GMT -5
It looks like it's better to not enter your scores! The 3 people who have are all over par. The rest of us are all the leaders at E...I love it!
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mlhartzell
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Post by mlhartzell on Jul 6, 2015 7:09:51 GMT -5
-53 isn't real golf either. I like when the elite players are shooting in the high 60s. Your rounds look completely reasonable to me, for a change. Needing multiple rounds in the 50s to contend is lame IMO. Edit: FWIW, I played a practice round last night and shot +4 in 12-15 MPH winds. The course is a brute but I thoroughly enjoyed it and think I can knock several strokes off that score when it counts. I have no problems with hard courses, in fact I think a lot of times they are more fun. The key I think to a balance of enjoyment and difficulty/challenge is that the course needs to, more consistently than not, reward properly executed shots and distinguish between where "good" and "bad" shots end up. When you play a shot to a 1yd by 1yd square where you aimed , and your ball ends up in the same area as someone who landed 10 yards "off target", thats frustrating. This is a game though so I don't get mad. It is pretty much a pitching/chipping/lag putting contest though on this course when winds are up. Those who have a few holes outs will gain a lot on the field. Those like myself whose main strengths are ball striking and proximity to hole more than putting/chipping/pitching will be tougher for us to have shot to win, but oh well. One last thought: I'd ask you to consider evaluating the integrity of a course and tournament by: 1) Does the course identify who played the best golf? 2) Does the course separate "good" from "bad" shots? i.e. On the following shot, Does the skill displayed and executed on a quality shot provide the golfer with an advantage over a poorly skilled shot? 3) Can the shot needed to be played be executed in the varying wind conditions? 4) Did you have fun? Instead of: Did people score really low? vs Did they score close to par? Just my thoughts though! Greens are quite quick, beware out there , Good Luck all!
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PSU-Cappy
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Jul 6, 2015 7:50:15 GMT -5
-53 isn't real golf either. I like when the elite players are shooting in the high 60s. Your rounds look completely reasonable to me, for a change. Needing multiple rounds in the 50s to contend is lame IMO. Edit: FWIW, I played a practice round last night and shot +4 in 12-15 MPH winds. The course is a brute but I thoroughly enjoyed it and think I can knock several strokes off that score when it counts. I have no problems with hard courses, in fact I think a lot of times they are more fun. The key I think to a balance of enjoyment and difficulty/challenge is that the course needs to, more consistently than not, reward properly executed shots and distinguish between where "good" and "bad" shots end up. When you play a shot to a 1yd by 1yd square where you aimed , and your ball ends up in the same area as someone who landed 10 yards "off target", thats frustrating. This is a game though so I don't get mad. It is pretty much a pitching/chipping/lag putting contest though on this course when winds are up. Those who have a few holes outs will gain a lot on the field. Those like myself whose main strengths are ball striking and proximity to hole more than putting/chipping/pitching will be tougher for us to have shot to win, but oh well. One last thought: I'd ask you to consider evaluating the integrity of a course and tournament by: 1) Does the course identify who played the best golf? 2) Does the course separate "good" from "bad" shots? i.e. On the following shot, Does the skill displayed and executed on a quality shot provide the golfer with an advantage over a poorly skilled shot? 3) Can the shot needed to be played be executed in the varying wind conditions? 4) Did you have fun? Instead of: Did people score really low? vs Did they score close to par? Just my thoughts though! Greens are quite quick, beware out there , Good Luck all! Before I post - just wanted to say that I appreciate a good, hard course and enjoyed (not at the time of playing but looking back at it) the challenge of this venue - even if it sounded like I had turrets... That being said - I'd love to see more courses like this used in the future (where scores are closer to 70 than 50) - but, as you said above - there needs to be a "reward" zone for players to shoot for or else it becomes a chipping contest. Example: Hole 1 - I played maybe 8 practice rounds and my 4 tourney rounds - only once did I have a putt for birdie less than 40 feet - and that was when I had the perfect wind condition in my face and hit the very top of the hillside short of the flag and got a lucky hop up instead of back. Otherwise, if I wasn't in the bunker short going for that perfect shot (and almost a sure bogey), I had a 50 footer coming back that I had to hope for a 2 putt. I found myself playing not to make bogey or worse on 75% of the holes (despite being in the fairway and in great position to go for a close shot) and hoping I got lucky with a hole out chip rather than a lip out par putt (fourth round I had 4 straight lip outs that resulted in bogeys - luck of the game I guess) I had a 93% FIR (and I think 100% in round 2) but only 66% GIR for round 1 as it seemed no matter where I hit on some holes, the ball would roll off the back - so much so that in later rounds, I started playing for the best place to chip from rather than taking my chance at two putting from a long distance away. I think this could be a great course if there was a little bit of a forgiveness zone on some greens instead of just hitting and hoping to get lucky on the roll. (It could also just be me whining because I see others who can shoot 65 on this course and I have no idea why I can't putt as well as they can to be able to sniff that score)
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PSU-Cappy
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Jul 6, 2015 8:09:50 GMT -5
One more thing to add....I'd rather be frustrated like this than the "I shot a 58 and am still 8 shots off the lead" frustrated
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Post by justamush on Jul 6, 2015 10:41:43 GMT -5
I love seeing my name on the first page of the leaderboard!!!!!
Who cares that I haven't tee'd off yet!!!!
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Post by Pubknight on Jul 6, 2015 12:26:14 GMT -5
Can I conclude from the lack of scores on the leaderboard that it was pretty windy this past weekend?
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Post by splittailace on Jul 6, 2015 12:29:37 GMT -5
74 67 74 73.
Harder than the first two majors by miles. I played in 10-12 mph winds but that didn't make a difference when a pw rolls out 20 yards lol.
Beyond ridiculously hard
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Post by theduke21 on Jul 6, 2015 12:32:32 GMT -5
-53 isn't real golf either. I like when the elite players are shooting in the high 60s. Your rounds look completely reasonable to me, for a change. Needing multiple rounds in the 50s to contend is lame IMO. Edit: FWIW, I played a practice round last night and shot +4 in 12-15 MPH winds. The course is a brute but I thoroughly enjoyed it and think I can knock several strokes off that score when it counts. But this isn't real golf. We shoot -50 because we can hit perfect shots almost every time, not because the courses are too easy. If all of the courses start turning into Harbour Pointe, this game loses its feel of a real golf game. I've played hundreds of real courses in my life - quite a few tourney venues, and not a single one of them have played even close to the way this one played. If you want the game to play harder, play in the RGT, or get on the HB forums and try to convince them to add some type of variance in error on a given shot so we don't hit it perfect every time. The thing is, I'm a fan of tougher courses. Elmview was great, I actually loved Falcon Bay, and my only published course has gotten complaints of being too tough. But this just wasn't golf. And I'm not complaining because I did terribly, I shot -8.
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Post by theduke21 on Jul 6, 2015 12:34:02 GMT -5
Can I conclude from the lack of scores on the leaderboard that it was pretty windy this past weekend? I think the score posting just became available. It wasn't working last night.
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