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Post by Brighttail on May 28, 2015 9:28:52 GMT -5
I just played a round here a very pretty course, very challenging and it is going to take some time to figure out the course management.
Sadly it has its flaws due mainly to HBs green grid system. I had 7 holes where there was absolutely no break being shown. I could see there was break by getting down to green level with the camera, but no break lines moving what so ever. I would barely miss the ball, roll a few inches by just on the other side of the hole and on my next putt, I see the line that I was just putting on and what do I see? Moving grid line along the very line I just putted along. I'm not sure why on one view the game shows none but when you look back at it from another direction there they are. I wish HB would fix this, either they are there or not, same line, just a different view.
Great course btw.
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Post by daddyjules on May 28, 2015 10:03:20 GMT -5
Elmview lol
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Post by NCFCRulz on May 28, 2015 10:08:21 GMT -5
I just played a round here a very pretty course, very challenging and it is going to take some time to figure out the course management. Sadly it has its flaws due mainly to HBs green grid system. I had 7 holes where there was absolutely no break being shown. I could see there was break by getting down to green level with the camera, but no break lines moving what so ever. I would barely miss the ball, roll a few inches by just on the other side of the hole and on my next putt, I see the line that I was just putting on and what do I see? Moving grid line along the very line I just putted along. I'm not sure why on one view the game shows none but when you look back at it from another direction there they are. I wish HB would fix this, either they are there or not, same line, just a different view. Great course btw. The lines will be in slightly different places and thus may show the break. If there is a slope in the green grid but each side is level at the ends then it won't reflect the hill or slump
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Post by reebdoog on May 28, 2015 10:20:56 GMT -5
yeah, Elmview. Not Elmvale.
Elmview Golf Club - Open Edition
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Post by Brighttail on May 28, 2015 10:22:32 GMT -5
I just played a round here a very pretty course, very challenging and it is going to take some time to figure out the course management. Sadly it has its flaws due mainly to HBs green grid system. I had 7 holes where there was absolutely no break being shown. I could see there was break by getting down to green level with the camera, but no break lines moving what so ever. I would barely miss the ball, roll a few inches by just on the other side of the hole and on my next putt, I see the line that I was just putting on and what do I see? Moving grid line along the very line I just putted along. I'm not sure why on one view the game shows none but when you look back at it from another direction there they are. I wish HB would fix this, either they are there or not, same line, just a different view. Great course btw. The lines will be in slightly different places and thus may show the break. If there is a slope in the green grid but each side is level at the ends then it won't reflect the hill or slump Yeah I know this, but this was not the case on these putts.
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Post by mcbogga on May 28, 2015 10:52:25 GMT -5
The lines will be in slightly different places and thus may show the break. If there is a slope in the green grid but each side is level at the ends then it won't reflect the hill or slump Yeah I know this, but this was not the case on these putts. Not a flaw - it's a feature. The grid is an aid showing approximate break. Have yet to see a flat grid breaker that was not logical if actually reading the Putt. And if you don't like the grid - no one is forcing you to use it - can be turned off in settings.
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Post by theduke21 on May 28, 2015 11:48:13 GMT -5
I just played a round here a very pretty course, very challenging and it is going to take some time to figure out the course management. Sadly it has its flaws due mainly to HBs green grid system. I had 7 holes where there was absolutely no break being shown. I could see there was break by getting down to green level with the camera, but no break lines moving what so ever. I would barely miss the ball, roll a few inches by just on the other side of the hole and on my next putt, I see the line that I was just putting on and what do I see? Moving grid line along the very line I just putted along. I'm not sure why on one view the game shows none but when you look back at it from another direction there they are. I wish HB would fix this, either they are there or not, same line, just a different view. Great course btw. The lines will be in slightly different places and thus may show the break. If there is a slope in the green grid but each side is level at the ends then it won't reflect the hill or slump Yep, this is what it is. I believe I had one at Elmview as well. I was on a ridge with both sides breaking away from, me which causes a multiple break on both sides of the grid so it shows as flat. You just have to get down with the camera and really read it. It may show that grid as breaking on the next putt because it's a different angle that's not perfectly on top of the ridge.
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Post by Brighttail on May 28, 2015 12:45:14 GMT -5
The lines will be in slightly different places and thus may show the break. If there is a slope in the green grid but each side is level at the ends then it won't reflect the hill or slump Yep, this is what it is. I believe I had one at Elmview as well. I was on a ridge with both sides breaking away from, me which causes a multiple break on both sides of the grid so it shows as flat. You just have to get down with the camera and really read it. It may show that grid as breaking on the next putt because it's a different angle that's not perfectly on top of the ridge. I have no issue with trying to read it via the lower camera angle. The unfortunate problem is moving the camera around with a PC is very tedious and not smooth n quick like it is with the consoles. Every course I have played has a hole or two with this issue. I was just saying in the course of 18 holes i encountered it 6-7 times with these pin positions. Fair warning.
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Post by theduke21 on May 28, 2015 13:05:42 GMT -5
Yep, this is what it is. I believe I had one at Elmview as well. I was on a ridge with both sides breaking away from, me which causes a multiple break on both sides of the grid so it shows as flat. You just have to get down with the camera and really read it. It may show that grid as breaking on the next putt because it's a different angle that's not perfectly on top of the ridge. I have no issue with trying to read it via the lower camera angle. The unfortunate problem is moving the camera around with a PC is very tedious and not smooth n quick like it is with the consoles. Every course I have played has a hole or two with this issue. I was just saying in the course of 18 holes i encountered it 6-7 times with these pin positions. Fair warning. Ah, I see. Yeah, there are a fair amount of pins on those ridges that usually cause the problem. It does make for some tougher putts. That's part of what makes it a tough course which I like.
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Post by reebdoog on May 28, 2015 13:17:27 GMT -5
just so folks know that was not done on purpose. I actually tried to find the flattest spots NEAR the breaks that would work for the pin. It just so happened that the flattest spot isn't always flat.
The 4 pin will change things up a little bit I'm sure. I need to get to work on that as soon as I can actually! :-O
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Post by Brighttail on May 30, 2015 12:16:17 GMT -5
just so folks know that was not done on purpose. I actually tried to find the flattest spots NEAR the breaks that would work for the pin. It just so happened that the flattest spot isn't always flat. The 4 pin will change things up a little bit I'm sure. I need to get to work on that as soon as I can actually! :-O So are we playing on the open the new open or what?
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Post by disturbed932 on May 30, 2015 12:37:55 GMT -5
just so folks know that was not done on purpose. I actually tried to find the flattest spots NEAR the breaks that would work for the pin. It just so happened that the flattest spot isn't always flat. The 4 pin will change things up a little bit I'm sure. I need to get to work on that as soon as I can actually! :-O What do you think the winning score will be Reeb? I played the HB suggested Elite Cup and this is my best effort. Winds 5-10mph. I wager someone will get hot and four rounds in the low 60s to be around -35. If you shoot under 60 here in competition, my hat goes off to you. I fought for every stroke on this course.
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Post by reebdoog on May 30, 2015 14:57:11 GMT -5
New is the same. I think it published by accident. I figure 30s will be about right. We'll see ?
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Post by disturbed932 on May 30, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -5
New is the same. I think it published by accident. I figure 30s will be about right. We'll see ? Also, it would be cool if you setup the pins for Saturday to reflect the traditional "moving day" that is accessible locations toward the back and in bowls. Then, on Sunday, everything tucked and few laces from the edges
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Post by boomboom on May 30, 2015 17:11:41 GMT -5
Long time lurker, now first time poster. Could not resist any longer after noticing this thread. LOL
Elmvale Golf and Country Club can use some plays as well. :-)
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