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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 12, 2019 19:00:42 GMT -5
Long ago in the Madden series there was a year that it was found that if you lined up your defensive lineman in a partcular position in one of the gaps he couldn't be stopped. Automatic sack on any play not run from shotgun formation. It was exploited for a bit. Then some smart people decided, hey, this is an exploit, it gives an unfair advantage, how about we all decide that it would be a really good idea if we just didn't use it.Those that continued to use it gave the same lame excuses, "If it was illegal you wouldn't be able to do it. It's not cheating if it's in the game. The similarities are remarkable.
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Post by uhohnene on Jun 12, 2019 19:44:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the useful answer.
Well to be fair - you have literally just asked 'please tell me more about a technique that is pushing the limits on legality with the API'
Why would anyone give you instructions on how to cheat? No interest in cheating. Just wanted to better understand what people are talking about. Those who respond with single word answers would be better served not responding at all instead of coming across as rude.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 12, 2019 19:46:25 GMT -5
If I came across as rude, sorry. It’s been discussed at length in this and almost every other recent PGA thread. Assumed you might have actually read some of it, that was all.
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Post by uhohnene on Jun 12, 2019 19:47:17 GMT -5
Reading this thread as an outsider and wondering what flicking and short swinging are? I use one thumb and kind of flick on my downswing. Anywhere I can read more about these techniques? Flicking is essentially as its described, instead of holding the joystick against the plastic to complete the swing, you just "flick" it forward and let go. Results in an incomplete and often wonky swing line, but ultimately means that, whereas a complete swing may have registered a block or pull, a short swingline can result in a straighter shot. Its not illegal, and you wont get flagged by API for simply exercising a "short swing", but if it makes all your shots arrow straight, you'll be pulled.
Hope this helps.
That is quite helpful. I appreciate it. I don't imagine I will ever be a PGA tour level player in this game. Just found the discussion interesting and was hoping to better understand.
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Post by uhohnene on Jun 12, 2019 19:48:24 GMT -5
If I came across as rude, sorry. It’s been discussed at length in this and almost every other recent PGA thread. Assumed you might have actually read some of it, that was all. No worries. I can see how to someone who has been familiar with this for a long time such a question would be frustrating and/or could be construed as sarcasm.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 12, 2019 19:59:03 GMT -5
If I came across as rude, sorry. It’s been discussed at length in this and almost every other recent PGA thread. Assumed you might have actually read some of it, that was all. No worries. I can see how to someone who has been familiar with this for a long time such a question would be frustrating and/or could be construed as sarcasm. Yeah it’s a bit tiring - sorry if it came across that way. Look further up this post at one of my replies. It sums up what flicking / short swinging is. Shortened feedback line gives less dispersion than full feedback line. If you’re too straight doing it you can get pulled by the API. A lot of people have been pulled, but continue to play that way, which is very frustrating for those that compete against them as they’ll just come back and compete for victories in subsequent weeks. Some have always had a flicky swing and have never been pulled as their feedback is wonkier than those that have been pulled. I understand why they wouldn’t want to change. This is only an issue with TGC2019 swing. TGC1 and 2 this wasn’t a problem. It’s something that HB broke with the swing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:03:17 GMT -5
I wonder how many players who used to super loft irons, fully deloft wedges out of heavy rough, played for chips/flops or counted clicks for wind on TGC1 are now against flicking? Maybe we need a poll for whats fair game and what isn't? Guess I should apologize for bringing it to everyones attention when I asked why some peoples lines didn't go all the way to the top back when the game came out
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Post by mrohde4 on Jun 12, 2019 20:16:37 GMT -5
I wonder how many players who used to super loft irons, fully deloft wedges out of heavy rough, played for chips/flops or counted clicks for wind on TGC1 are now against flicking? Maybe we need a poll for whats fair game and what isn't? Guess I should apologize for bringing it to everyones attention when I asked why some peoples lines didn't go all the way to the top back when the game came out Did super lofted irons, delofted wedges and wind click counting trigger the API?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:35:46 GMT -5
I wonder how many players who used to super loft irons, fully deloft wedges out of heavy rough, played for chips/flops or counted clicks for wind on TGC1 are now against flicking? Maybe we need a poll for whats fair game and what isn't? Guess I should apologize for bringing it to everyones attention when I asked why some peoples lines didn't go all the way to the top back when the game came out Did super lofted irons, delofted wedges and wind click counting trigger the API? Doubt it, just pure cheese though. Sounds like flicking doesn't trigger the API in all cases anyway if there are top players doing it who have never had a DQ. Maybe HB should have kept it at the 1 clubset which was pretty easy to swing and just taken out the ability to super loft either way?
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 12, 2019 21:37:05 GMT -5
Did super lofted irons, delofted wedges and wind click counting trigger the API? Doubt it, just pure cheese though. Sounds like flicking doesn't trigger the API in all cases anyway if there are top players doing it who have never had a DQ. Maybe HB should have kept it at the 1 clubset which was pretty easy to swing and just taken out the ability to super loft either way? i even asked HB to just cut every swing off short then everybody is equal. They didn’t respond.😕. I have never blamed anybody that short swings (legitimately), maybe a few snide comments though. But this DQ stuff irks me. To be honest, I hit the line pretty damn straight so maybe if I couldn’t I may be tempted to short swing myself. It’s the lofting that gets me. Just touch the line on full swing and forget it. But if I was getting DQ I would change it up. Admin: I am done with this. Next time I respond to it I want a time out. I keep getting sucked in and need a deterrent.
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Post by Todd on Jun 12, 2019 23:31:46 GMT -5
That's the thing, I really don't care how anyone else chooses to play their game. All this talk about respecting someone else's style of play is just white noise. If it passes API that's what the criteria is now. If and when that changes, then there will always be another"flick" swing, or some other form that will be considered breaching fair play metrics to talk about. I will give you a break because it’s obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. Fair? There are multiple API DQ every week including this one that involves flicking a major majority of time. That is where this stems. Some have even posted getting 18 shots with zero deviation! That in itself isn’t even the deal breaker. The killer is being able to fully loft with little penalty, those are scoring shots. Hey, thanks for giving me a break, now I'll be able to sleep tonight.😉
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Post by midway07 on Jun 13, 2019 5:21:21 GMT -5
Not disappointed so far...
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 13, 2019 5:24:51 GMT -5
Not disappointed so far... It was all going so well, for about 6 pages!
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Post by GW_Hope on Jun 13, 2019 5:41:03 GMT -5
Not disappointed so far... It was all going so well, for about 6 pages!
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Post by paulus on Jun 13, 2019 5:44:04 GMT -5
An MJ meme is a bold choice these days...
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