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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Apr 28, 2019 22:41:08 GMT -5
Alright everyone, I've been pretty quiet on here lately...mostly lurking, streaming, and throwing the occasional popcorn .gif into a thread...but we REALLY need to talk about something big. Something deep down, I don't REALLY don't want to do, but at this point needs to be considered...the tours may need to be split by console. Now I've been here since the start of TGCTours and have witnessed the tours in various states. What I loved about it the most was that the game was competitive and was balanced between the three consoles. It was pretty cool to see the top 3 guys in the world (one from PC, XB1, and PS4) were on top for a large part of the first three years. Then TGC2019 and tempo came along. We all had a feeling it was easier on PS4, then we got data from the API to back that claim up. Now (especially on the top tours), it is complete and total dominance by PS4 players. We are playing different games here. I hate having to go into a tournament knowing that a series of random tempos that wouldn't happen on PS4 (as often) will put me at a huge disadvantage. It has really decreased the desire to want to play my tour rounds (I know I'm far from the only one around here lately). I also know that tempo isn't the only reason...I'm aware I'm not a great putter, I don't practice even close to the amount of hours the top guys do, or have my winds and clubs charted. Now, splitting the tours by console... is it even doable? If it is a massive headache for Tim and company than leave as is, but maybe something we can explore. Obviously the big problem is how many people are on each console. I feel splitting the tours wouldn't affect PS4 that much as the player base is huge. PC and Xbox is the issue. Maybe just one/two top tiers and a couple pro/am tiers? I also see how this would cause big headaches with consoles not having the same amount of tiers...and imagine What's Going On? where Dwain and Geoff announce the 3 different PGA/Euro/Web/CC-A etc winners each time! In other words, things get a bit more convoluted...but would it help things be more competitive? OR... We could keep everything as is and maybe the leaderboard is defaulted to your console. (eg. When I check the leaderboards, I would only see the Euro-PC players). We could also have the option to see the regular leaderboard as well to see how we stack up against everyone. I also see with this option is that it doesn't really fix much, and fields will get significantly smaller...we don't really want to see fields with 6 players either. I don't know what we can do. Not sure there is a surefire way to fix this false sense of competition between the consoles, but maybe something that can be discussed and suggested in a civil manner. TL:DR - Tours need to be split to potentially create a more competitive atmosphere...lots of problems associated with solutions mentioned...other ramblings thrown in. I'll just leave this here.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Apr 28, 2019 23:08:07 GMT -5
Hi mate. Little premise. I'm pretty new here,i play on pc and two months ago i start to play this game,with master clubs BUT with the cheap controller i have at home. Unfairly easy enough that,after the initial big big struggling on swing tempo and (ENORMOUSLY) on putt, not only i came to menage it, but i have a handicap of +24 and counting (for what it can matters...) Then,a week ago i bought a ps4 controller (cause i want not only compete on the tour, but even playing everywhere and with everyone without every unfair advantage) and obviously is all a different world. The putt is again a problem and to stay in the right line is much more a problem that the swing tempo..but i'm trying to menage everything with practice and (most important thing) looking for a severe and consistent grip on the controller. (i use simply my left thumb on the stick, no strange positions or creative solutions) I play this way by a week and i'm good enough to finish almost every course between a -4 or -7 (foundamentally depending on the number of three putt i can avoid ) and i will start this week my q-school. I'm confident that,in a pair of months of practice well and the "natural" improving, i'll return to shot between -10 and -16. We'll see..but this don't matters in the end, is just to tell you that i don't know how the game is on ps4, but on pc and playing with a ps4 controller, honestly the game seems pretty menageable to me. But you're complaining about the different system or the different type of controllers? P.s. : By the way,i love your courses. And i laugh everytime i see your avatar.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Apr 28, 2019 23:23:48 GMT -5
I forgot to tell that yes,i suffer from some sever issue about tempo sometimes, but i solved a good amount of this issues with two tips:
1) my pc is a new one,good enough but with just an integrated graphic card. And the land transitions and all the details you great designers put in every course can be killers. So i set the graphic on medium. It's a pretty sad solution,i well know it, but i can swear this solve a lot of problems both improving the general swing tempo (and i mean A LOT. Now it's much more easy to understand, to menage and constant) and the randomic super slow swing.
2) now i made a lot more of practice swing that before to use the new controller. This slows enormously my game,but is useful to see if for some reason i have momentaneous lack of fps or some lag.
Anyway..even if your statement would be absolutely correct..i fear that a fair solution could be simply not possible. It would be so sad,to split the tour in three parts.. Six parts,if we'll adopte the same solution to solve the master/pro clubs dispute.
My little two cents,in the end,are that even if the things are not percfect, i know that anybody is doing his best to make our experience here the best is possibile and this i think is the best i could ever ask.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 29, 2019 0:27:08 GMT -5
It's on the table for next season - as for this season, barring a 2-3 week break I don't see it happening unless Tim says it's possible. That's a huge change on the backend and how everything else (q-school) etc feeds into it. So while I think it has merit - I don't see it happening before September.
For the record, the plan I'm playing with - assuming the game (or next version) remains the same is.....
4 separate tours by Clubset Difficulty Beginner (all systems) Pro (all systems) Master (PS4) Master (XB1/PC combined)
All 4 would top out at the PGA and then have as many tours below as required by participation. The data shows that on Master clubs XB1 and PC are fairly close with regards to tempo and combined they are relatively close to the PS4 userbase in numbers. Data also shows that on Pro Clubs and Beginner clubs all 3 systems are balanced well so they would not need to be split up by console.
If they fix the balance issue then we could do the above with 3 tours instead of 4 by only having 1 Master Tour. I think the days of 1 tour fits all is in the past though.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 29, 2019 0:40:22 GMT -5
oh, and we'd kick Smedley to the PS4 tour...just because he's too good.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Apr 29, 2019 0:47:42 GMT -5
It's on the table for next season - as for this season, barring a 2-3 week break I don't see it happening unless Tim says it's possible. That's a huge change on the backend and how everything else (q-school) etc feeds into it. So while I think it has merit - I don't see it happening before September. For the record, the plan I'm playing with - assuming the game (or next version) remains the same is..... 4 separate tours by Clubset Difficulty Beginner (all systems) Pro (all systems) Master (PS4) Master (XB1/PC combined) All 4 would top out at the PGA and then have as many tours below as required by participation. The data shows that on Master clubs XB1 and PC are fairly close with regards to tempo and combined they are relatively close to the PS4 userbase in numbers. Data also shows that on Pro Clubs and Beginner clubs all 3 systems are balanced well so they would not need to be split up by console. If they fix the balance issue then we could do the above with 3 tours instead of 4 by only having 1 Master Tour. I think the days of 1 tour fits all is in the past though. I was about halfway through a long, rambling post when I refreshed and saw this, so most of what I had said is moot now. I'll continue to hope against hope that HB can remedy this issue for 2K20, but this is an excellent contingency plan if it isn't fixed. Say what you will about TGC1, but I sure had a lot of fun competing against Sweeney, Garcia, Murphy, Cairns, May, and others in that game. As for TGC19, I'd probably have to buy a new controller every week if I tried to play competitively, so I think I'll stick to Friday night alt-shot with the Xbox gang for the time being...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 0:52:21 GMT -5
Potential problem being when they release a new game, it’s open season again as to where the advantage will lie.
I’m happy with whatever the admins can do. I don’t hate the random XBox tempo, it makes scoring and the whole game more realistic once you buy into it and accept no pro golfer is perfect so why should my guy be on what’s supposed to be a kind of sim. There’s people playing Web on XBox that I’m absolutely competing with on a level playing field.
Can see the advantages and like the fact we got a quick reply from Doyley letting us know it’s on the table 👍
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Post by Doyley on Apr 29, 2019 1:01:32 GMT -5
Potential problem being when they release a new game, it’s open season again as to where the advantage will lie. Trick is now we know to look for it - so we can focus some test events on these things to make sure we are doing the best thing for the tours. Hard part is if there's something else that creates an issue that's new - then we're back to square one again! haha
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 29, 2019 1:07:07 GMT -5
Of course we're assuming a new game... which we've heard zero about at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 1:25:21 GMT -5
For the record, the plan I'm playing with - assuming the game (or next version) remains the same is..... 4 separate tours by Clubset Difficulty Beginner (all systems) Pro (all systems) Master (PS4) Master (XB1/PC combined) This would truly be perfect for having a genuine level playing field. If it happens (depending on the new game of course, who knows what quirks HB will produce next time) I'd instantly sell my Fisher Price Tempo Machine™ PS4 and go back to PC.
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Post by Tenahka on Apr 29, 2019 1:41:58 GMT -5
One of the main things I like about TGCTours is the fact that it's cross platform. I don't think it would be the same if it wasn't
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Post by Doyley on Apr 29, 2019 2:14:51 GMT -5
One of the main things I like about TGCTours is the fact that it's cross platform. I don't think it would be the same if it wasn't Technically the new plan would still be cross platform for all but Master on PS4. But I understand that's a still a large chunk of the TGCT membership that would be affected.
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Post by rob4590 on Apr 29, 2019 2:22:38 GMT -5
One of the main things I like about TGCTours is the fact that it's cross platform. I don't think it would be the same if it wasn't
QFT - if you split TGCT by platform, that is the beginning of the end of the site IMO.
I don't give a toss if I'm the 3rd or 4th or 5th best PC player (or whatever the number is) - I just want to compete against EVERYONE who plays the game on the PGA tour (ie in theory the best 150 players in the world)
Are all of us on PC / XB at a disadvantage? For sure - but it doesn't matter. If we DO ever beat the PS4 master-race guys (jk) - it's more of an achievement that just winning the PC battle (well apart from beating Justin - which (given his scores) is just like facing a PS guy anyway )
For the sake of the future of this site - please do NOT split the tour into platforms - at the very least not for the top couple of tours.
So - terrible idea IMO
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Post by Doyley on Apr 29, 2019 2:29:16 GMT -5
For the sake of the future of this site - please do NOT split the tour into platforms - at the very least not for the top couple of tours. I think more would agree we do it for the sake of the site.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 2:47:06 GMT -5
For the sake of the future of this site - please do NOT split the tour into platforms - at the very least not for the top couple of tours. I think more would agree we do it for the sake of the site. From an outsiders view it totally makes sense if you want TGCTOURS to be truly competitive.
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