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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 19:45:38 GMT -5
If HB didn’t want people to “flick”, they would’ve made sure a flick swing either didn’t register as a completed swing, or resulted in a wildly inaccurate shot. Can you imagine all the pros complaining that Jim Furyks swing is too loopy or john Daly’s swing is too long 😂. Kind of like the guys who complained about the anchored putter and it got banned for this reason:
"Anchoring creates potential advantages, such as making the stroke simpler and more repeatable, restricting the movement and rotation of the hands, arms and clubface, creating a fixed pivot point, and creating extra support and stability that may diminish the effects of nerves and pressure."
Lets just refer to it as Wanchoring instead of Flicking
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Post by titaneddie on Dec 7, 2018 19:47:30 GMT -5
After that last guys (fadge?) video in the onesy, Im not clicking any more dude's vids showing their swing.
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2018 19:49:48 GMT -5
If HB didn’t want people to “flick”, they would’ve made sure a flick swing either didn’t register as a completed swing, or resulted in a wildly inaccurate shot. Can you imagine all the pros complaining that Jim Furyks swing is too loopy or john Daly’s swing is too long 😂. Kind of like the guys who complained about the anchored putter and it got banned for this reason:
"Anchoring creates potential advantages, such as making the stroke simpler and more repeatable, restricting the movement and rotation of the hands, arms and clubface, creating a fixed pivot point, and creating extra support and stability that may diminish the effects of nerves and pressure."
Lets just refer to it as Wanchoring instead of Flicking
Completely different. “Flicking” is a method of swinging using the standard equipment. Anchoring is modifying the equipment allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 19:57:53 GMT -5
Kind of like the guys who complained about the anchored putter and it got banned for this reason:
"Anchoring creates potential advantages, such as making the stroke simpler and more repeatable, restricting the movement and rotation of the hands, arms and clubface, creating a fixed pivot point, and creating extra support and stability that may diminish the effects of nerves and pressure."
Lets just refer to it as Wanchoring instead of Flicking
Completely different. “Flicking” is a method of swinging using the standard equipment. Anchoring is modifying the equipment allowed. But it still creates potential advantages, such as making the stroke simpler and more repeatable.
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 20:04:44 GMT -5
The flick isn't illegal...but if you're allowing the controller springs to keep your swing on axis, it isn't a natural swing movement and therefore it is likely to produce unnatural results. And if you get flagged for it, then you've made your bed. Live with the consequences. It's not like all of us can choose to use that swing method. It simply doesn't work on PC. You might have missed my question, is letting go of the stick after it hits the front plastic part of the controller, can't go further than that, is considred "flicking"? Silly question, why can't it work on a PC? Can't you use a Xbox or a DS4 on them instead of a mouse?
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Post by GW_Hope on Dec 7, 2018 20:09:38 GMT -5
Cyclerob, here is the swing video I promised. Pretty simple to get a full line and no issues.
I promise no Snuggie images either!
FIXED I think
This is not your guy’s fault it’s on HB for changing the programming of the swing line. I am merely.showing how you can swing a full line and avoid some api issues .
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 20:16:25 GMT -5
Cyclerob, here is the swing video I promised. Pretty simple to get a full line and no issues. There seems to be a problem with the link. It tells me that this video is not accessable. edit: working now! I'll try that... thanks!
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 7, 2018 21:25:46 GMT -5
Dare I say the “flick” swing has vaulted itself above, despite all odds, the club set debate at this point? Or is that just me?
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Post by CuseHokie on Dec 7, 2018 21:33:25 GMT -5
Dare I say the “flick” swing has vaulted itself above, despite all odds, the club set debate at this point? Or is that just me? Congrats on win #2! Yea it’s not over but tell Larry Malone my money is on you.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 7, 2018 21:37:07 GMT -5
Dare I say the “flick” swing has vaulted itself above, despite all odds, the club set debate at this point? Or is that just me? Congrats on win #2! Yea it’s not over but tell Larry Malone my money is on you. Most of this confuses me...but thanks (hopefully)!
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Post by CuseHokie on Dec 7, 2018 21:59:36 GMT -5
Congrats on win #2! Yea it’s not over but tell Larry Malone my money is on you. Most of this confuses me...but thanks (hopefully)! Inside joke between Larry and me.
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Post by Brighttail on Dec 7, 2018 22:08:19 GMT -5
The flick isn't illegal...but if you're allowing the controller springs to keep your swing on axis, it isn't a natural swing movement and therefore it is likely to produce unnatural results. And if you get flagged for it, then you've made your bed. Live with the consequences. It's not like all of us can choose to use that swing method. It simply doesn't work on PC. I can do a flick with a mouse if I rig up some rubber bands and create a slot for my mouse to move between two wooden blocks. Takes a bit to get used to but I just have to hold down my mouse button and pull it back, the rubber bands does the rest!! Granted it is a little uncomfortable and you have to get used to holding down the mouse button while the mouse moves, but the results!!!
I mean pulling the mouse back a 1/2 inch is hard enough, why should I be bothered to actually move it forward an inch when the rubber bands can do it for me?
Seriously...anyone releasing the controller stick and letting the springs complete the swings is not taking a full swing in my opinion, it is a half swing at best and the person doing it is letting the springs completely the second half of the swing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 23:57:51 GMT -5
Most of this confuses me...but thanks (hopefully)! Inside joke between Larry and me. Ah, there's nothing like seeing a degenerate gambling problem start to bloom, I told you you'd like it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 0:16:40 GMT -5
Silly question, why can't it work on a PC? Can't you use a Xbox or a DS4 on them instead of a mouse? Can only speak for myself here, but I tried the flick method on PC (both with XB1 and DS4), after some practice I was able to reproduce the short line with some regularity using an extremely light touch, but the overwhelming majority were 'very fast' downswings, with a tiny number of fasts and virtually no perfects. It would be suicidal for me to attempt it deliberately. I give my controller stick a serious slam forward (you can hear it on my recent twitch vids thanks to new desk mic I bought, it's loud as hell) while holding it firmly with both finger and thumb, because I feel that's the only way I feel like I can have control over the swing and especially tempo. Btw I have nothing against flickers ethically, it's part of the game mechanics so it's on HB to resolve imo. It's like the track and field game on the playstation from ages ago - the idea to build up speed for that game was to alternately press x and circle with your fingers as quickly as possible. Someone found out that by holding the controller at a certain angle and keeping left and right thumb hovering about 2mm above x and circle, you could aggressively vibrate your body, risking an aneurysm while doing so, and achieve literally unreal times and distances. That wasn't intended by the game designers, but it wasn't cheating since players were using the legit equipment plus their own bodies. But I would also understand if a live contest were held for that game, organisers would ban vibrators (matron!) since it nonetheless goes against the spirit of the game by providing an unfair advantage.
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Post by mrohde4 on Dec 8, 2018 0:18:23 GMT -5
Kind of like the guys who complained about the anchored putter and it got banned for this reason:
"Anchoring creates potential advantages, such as making the stroke simpler and more repeatable, restricting the movement and rotation of the hands, arms and clubface, creating a fixed pivot point, and creating extra support and stability that may diminish the effects of nerves and pressure."
Lets just refer to it as Wanchoring instead of Flicking
Completely different. “Flicking” is a method of swinging using the standard equipment. Anchoring is modifying the equipment allowed. “Anchoring” in no way imaginable modified the equipment. Anchoring simply modifies the method by which a player uses standard equipment in order to provide an artificial advantage. The PGA, USGA, and other governing bodies agree as much, hence the strict ban. A player could use a long putter without anchoring, and the method would be legal. Bernhard Langer putts this way currently - long putter but not anchored. To me, this is just like a player using a standard DS4 to produce a standard golf shot. But when flicking the joystick, the player modifies their method of use (just like anchoring) to produce an artificially advantageous result. I agree that “flicking” is playing the game as designed by the developer, but evidence indicates the straighter-than-normal results are not based on the skill of the player, rather they are based on exploiting a design flaw in the software. A flaw proven by the tutorials. Inherently, that’s a problem.
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