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Post by mde8965 on Nov 17, 2018 9:12:18 GMT -5
First of all not pitching a fit dude. Just pointing out a mjor flaw in the game. I love the game i think the last 2 games have been really good but could of been amazing if they iron out the glitches cos thats wat the short swing is. I not b%&ing cos ive hit it solid and putted really good on the whole,a handful of putts have cost me a win so far but it is wat it is im human and you cant hole them all. Im just backing up players after ive seen all the evidence provided its there in black and white. Is a short swing cheating? No! Is it a glitch that gives ppl an unfair advantage? In the right hands yes! When the tours api isnt detecting a short swing which plays zero deviation although showing wonky as. This needs to be addressed by hb asap. Wasn’t directed at you per se. But while the short swing thing may be an ADVANTAGE, it not an UNFAIR advantage because it’s just a swing technique, not a cheat. Anyone can do it, master it. That’s like saying the click method of determining fade/draw and putt lines is unfair. Look all I’m saying is that the short swing thing cannot be dealt with by the API or made to fail the API unless it is a constant straight short swing or short swing with same deviation pattern which will set off the APIs scripting sniffer. The only way it will be dealt with is HB changing their code to interpolate a full swing or penalize distance on a short swing. Others are saying same. Only issue I have is certain single and double digit WGR folks calling the short swing a cheat or unfair or an exploit. It just is a bad look for those people because it sounds like they are mad they aren’t dominating right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 9:28:06 GMT -5
But while the short swing thing may be an ADVANTAGE, it not an UNFAIR advantage because it’s just a swing technique, not a cheat. Anyone can do it, master it. . Not quite anyone, it seems to be a PS4 phenomenon. I tried replicating Fadge's light touch flick with my XB1 controller on PC, and was able to produce the short lines consistently with the technique, but no exaggeration 90% of them were very fast downswings. Total non-starter for me.
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 17, 2018 9:37:08 GMT -5
But while the short swing thing may be an ADVANTAGE, it not an UNFAIR advantage because it’s just a swing technique, not a cheat. Anyone can do it, master it. . Not quite anyone, it seems to be a PS4 phenomenon. I tried replicating Fadge's light touch flick with my XB1 controller on PC, and was able to produce the short lines consistently with the technique, but no exaggeration 90% of them were very fast downswings. Total non-starter for me. I’d love to have a go with an XB1 controller to see if I can do it! No Xb no Pc for games and no plan to change that however.
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Post by mrohde4 on Nov 17, 2018 10:01:27 GMT -5
First of all not pitching a fit dude. Just pointing out a mjor flaw in the game. I love the game i think the last 2 games have been really good but could of been amazing if they iron out the glitches cos thats wat the short swing is. I not b%&ing cos ive hit it solid and putted really good on the whole,a handful of putts have cost me a win so far but it is wat it is im human and you cant hole them all. Im just backing up players after ive seen all the evidence provided its there in black and white. Is a short swing cheating? No! Is it a glitch that gives ppl an unfair advantage? In the right hands yes! When the tours api isnt detecting a short swing which plays zero deviation although showing wonky as. This needs to be addressed by hb asap. Wasn’t directed at you per se. But while the short swing thing may be an ADVANTAGE, it not an UNFAIR advantage because it’s just a swing technique, not a cheat. Anyone can do it, master it. That’s like saying the click method of determining fade/draw and putt lines is unfair. Look all I’m saying is that the short swing thing cannot be dealt with by the API or made to fail the API unless it is a constant straight short swing or short swing with same deviation pattern which will set off the APIs scripting sniffer. The only way it will be dealt with is HB changing their code to interpolate a full swing or penalize distance on a short swing. Others are saying same. Only issue I have is certain single and double digit WGR folks calling the short swing a cheat or unfair or an exploit. It just is a bad look for those people because it sounds like they are mad they aren’t dominating right now. The main gripe is that the spirit of competition is possibly skewed. Not a huge deal because the technique doesn’t seem to be universally adoptable, but that could change now that everyone is talking. Keeping the TGC1-ish ball physics that were changed a couple weeks after release would have limited the flick gate advantage. Making players navigate 15-20 yard rollouts with slopes was a fun challenge and kept everyone’s attention. Oh well.
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 17, 2018 10:09:24 GMT -5
This was brought up in the HB forums. The question s was if they planned to adjust or fix this issue. It was also suggested that they cut off feedback at 75-80% for every swing. Everybody gets the same advantage then. Or even bump it to 90% full swing. I asked them since a full 100% swing registers at about a 3/4 stick movement why does the feedback continue past that point. The ball is gone already. Anything past that 75% swing only adds negative outcomes it doesn’t add anything positive. I think the plan was that players would actually use this extra space for shot shaping. Problem is nobody does that, it’s just too inconsistent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 10:14:06 GMT -5
6 people got fair played last week. 5 of 6 were using third-party controllers. 2 people so far this week. Fadge and a third-party controller user. The Fair Play is so watered down right now that I don't think anyone should be talking about chances of being pulled being exponential. Why has it been watered down? Was this ever answered? Maybe Jeff can comment on it if he is appearing on "What's going on" this week?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 10:16:19 GMT -5
Why has it been watered down? Was this ever answered? Maybe Jeff can comment on it if he is appearing on "What's going on" this week? No, it didn’t get answered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 10:23:52 GMT -5
Was this ever answered? Maybe Jeff can comment on it if he is appearing on "What's going on" this week? No, it didn’t get answered. Cheers Ray, I just put a question in the what's going on thread to clarify it. Probably be on your Euro tour in a few weeks, got room for someone who sprays the ball all over the place, even with a PS4?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 10:25:05 GMT -5
This is R3 of this event for me.
Same DS4 that I have been using here at TGCT since June. I don't fiddlef*** with anything, just pick the dang thing up and play.
Same swing technique for golf since 2011.
But I'm part of the problem now says the mob.
(20 and a half minutes total watch because I play fast)
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Post by wmr5277 on Nov 17, 2018 10:31:23 GMT -5
Looks like I'm going to start the new season with a couple of top 25's Considering how low the scores are and how I've had to really battle back after some bad rounds, I feel great about my final results NOTE: I wish everyone could just not care about all of this swing stuff. It looks like I'm in the minority here, but...I don't care about the flickers or how people are swinging or the scripts, just don't care. My life doesn't improve one bit whether I win at video game golf or not. If I win every week, I'm not going to feel any different and my life surely isn't changing, so I just have the I don't care attitude. I'm having fun playing my rounds, I think the game plays well and that's it for me. I'm thinking ahead to next year and anxious as to what improvements might be coming for the next game and really thinking ahead to the PS5 and what that might do for golf games !!!! I just like the game and am having fun playing. Plus, there's RDR2!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a game ---Well said above. Will be cool to see how the game could look/play on the PS5. Hello all, I just joined TGC Tours and I am looking forward to some good competition. I consider myself a good player and it seems like there are A LOT of great players on the PGA Tour; and that's awesome. I do agree that the TGC 2019 game is overall a little bit easier than the TGC 2 game.... I think the elephant in the room here that no one is talking about pertaining to these low scores is.... How easy Pinhook Saddle was and although I did not play in the Kraken tournament...I have played it and found that course very easy also. Not that my opinion has any warrant, because yes I'm new here... But I would love to see only extremely DIFFICULT courses in the PGA Tour. (and I'm assuming some weeks we will see some very difficult ones. Like I said; I'm new here. So I don't know) I may be the minority here but most of the time I would like to see.... -long-ish golf courses wise within reason (I'm not saying 8500 yards or anything silly) -very firm fairways -very firm greens -very fast greens -greens that have a ton of break in them -high or very high winds almost every round -(4) completely different wind directions each round so holes never play the same -tucked pins I always enjoy this game more shooting -8 in wicked tough conditions then -16 in somewhat easy conditions and I think others may agree with me. Just my 2 cents, Vitaly
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Post by SloanerTW on Nov 17, 2018 10:41:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify for anyone thinking otherwise: If there is variation (left / right) in your short swing, then there is still variation in the result in the game. Anything in the cone isn’t auto straight, but it’s much straighter than if an errant swing were to be completed, that’s your major problem. The comment above saying more errant swings get the same result as a straight one isn’t technically true. A straight shot will always be better, but a short swing with deviation will drift off line less than it should. I’d like to see a bit more of how Sloaner actually made that video, just for the record. Was it with a DS4? Did he mod his controller, or was it standard? He would definitely be pulled for that over the course of a PGA round. Exactly... there is no possibility with a stock controller that is not modified or completely worn out that one can produce those straight lines over and over again. Every version of this game to date has had a different swing technique that works best. I personally feel TGC1 favored mouse swingers big time. TGC2 favored ways to replicate a reasonably straight swing with tempo which was how this short swing phenomenon started. Except TGC2 registered full swing regardless of how short you may swing. I guess it interpolated the line based on the direction it was headed? TGC19 needs to get better in consistency between consoles and PC/Mouse. But for some of these former dominating players to pitch a fit and whine because more or other people have figured out how to play the game they were given well, the ones with legal controllers and no scripting or other cheat devices, and are NOT cheating per the game or API... then what’s the issue. Learn how to play within the rules using whatever works for you too. The video by Sloan whatever he was using to swing he would be flagged immediately by the API. So if he did use a non approved device for that video, then shame on him for creating effect to stir up this drama. (Oh wait PGA is the new World...drama is what the weekly threads are all about) sounds like a couple people are just sore they are not immediately dominating in TGC19 like they may have been in TGC2 or 1. Learn what works in the new game, within the rules (unlike the video Sloaner put up) and have fun. You don’t have to win every week. Drama Onlytrue gripes people should should have right now are Xbox folks and maybe the mouse folks. My whine with the mouse thing is they can vary sensitivity at will. So if they fix the swing where it works as intended. For the folks that use it It’s almost like having a controller with a programmable dead zone that maybe a person would only use (move that sensitivity slider) if they really needed it a couple times a round... for or me I have more than a couple swings each round that are not all the way to the top. I have not changed my swing since TGC2. My swings registered full there. But feel free to ghost me next week, you will see that probably 50% or more swings start or end out of the damn cone. I am not trying to use any exploits and I guarantee you I’m using a stock Sony ds4 controller and no scripting devices. Then again I’m not putting up -20 rounds. No way you can make the API flag everyone with more than x less than full swings per round. Based on what I’ve observed that would flag well over half of the players (at least on ps4) as ps4 will even register less than full swings when you nail the plastic from time to time. So unless HB changes the game to interpolate the full swing for anything less than full like TGC2 apparently did, then you might as well stop griping and play. Heres the link to the full Video. Its 11 minutes long of me trying to learn the flick. At 5:45 I hit the 4 aces in a row. Its a ds4 controller no funny stuff. If you want I could make an 11 minute video of me full swinging and be lucky to hit 1 ace.
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 17, 2018 10:45:48 GMT -5
This is R3 of this event for me.
Same DS4 that I have been using here at TGCT since June. I don't fiddlef*** with anything, just pick the dang thing up and play.
Same swing technique for golf since 2011.
But I'm part of the problem now says the mob.
(20 and a half minutes total watch because I play fast)
You and other short swingers are not the problem. The swing change is the problem and you are the result. This was pointed out in HB forums awhile back. Here is the quote from HB_Craig. As per HB_CraigC: "Previous iterations on the swing input (TGC1 and 2) incorporated various mechanisms to adjust accuracy based on swing difficulty/Club set. We found that artificially adding difficulty in this manner was all but impossile to balance with the new approach to swinging and made tracking down bugs an unecessary headache. This was all culled out for TGC2019 to put the control into your hands - upping the skill aspect of the gameplay. The swing plane difficulty in its current state is another topic altogether, but that's why those of you who are "light swingers" are seeing this. Because what we display now is 1:1 with you're swing input." Just to add, playing the full swing I feel the game is tougher than TGC2 and I think that great. I wouldn’t play it any other way. But I also play this game for competition so my enthusiasm is waning knowing what I know.
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Post by mrohde4 on Nov 17, 2018 11:04:29 GMT -5
Talk about first world problems... Jesus. Can you imagine aliens who are studying the human race from afar coming across this thread? Probably turn that ship right around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 11:24:37 GMT -5
No, it didn’t get answered. Cheers Ray, I just put a question in the what's going on thread to clarify it. Probably be on your Euro tour in a few weeks, got room for someone who sprays the ball all over the place, even with a PS4? Always room for the good guys 👍 I’ll do my best to hang around, 2 missed cuts but thankfully no demotion strikes yet 👌🏻
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Post by CuseHokie on Nov 17, 2018 11:57:02 GMT -5
This is R3 of this event for me.
Same DS4 that I have been using here at TGCT since June. I don't fiddlef*** with anything, just pick the dang thing up and play.
Same swing technique for golf since 2011.
But I'm part of the problem now says the mob.
(20 and a half minutes total watch because I play fast)
You and other short swingers are not the problem. The swing change is the problem and you are the result. This was pointed out in HB forums awhile back. Here is the quote from HB_Craig. As per HB_CraigC: "Previous iterations on the swing input (TGC1 and 2) incorporated various mechanisms to adjust accuracy based on swing difficulty/Club set. We found that artificially adding difficulty in this manner was all but impossile to balance with the new approach to swinging and made tracking down bugs an unecessary headache. This was all culled out for TGC2019 to put the control into your hands - upping the skill aspect of the gameplay. The swing plane difficulty in its current state is another topic altogether, but that's why those of you who are "light swingers" are seeing this. Because what we display now is 1:1 with you're swing input." Just to add, playing the full swing I feel the game is tougher than TGC2 and I think that great. I wouldn’t play it any other way. But I also play this game for competition so my enthusiasm is waning knowing what I know. Correct. We just want the same circumstances. If nothing is to be done about this then the fair play policy is somewhat of a joke because clearly it’s not fair. Bringing awareness (I think we can check that box) is one goal. Bringing change is the next one. HB not saying anything and likely not choosing to do anything is why I felt Sloaner’s suggestion at least puts us all on a more even playing field unless some other option is on the table that I’m not privy to.
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