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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 17, 2018 3:17:09 GMT -5
Tbh with you, and Ive grown to really respect you over the number of years ive been on these forums, but there is absolutely NO CHANCE ill just sit back and play the way ive been playing. If I can get good at the short swing to where I can do it consistently, im sure as hell going to play that way. Im personally not going to sit back and play fair when others are doing it without even trying. Whats not fair is how some naturally do that and have that advantage because of the bug. If they're doing it and their scores are counting, then im going to do it too, and at the very least try to. I go back to the part of Sloan's post where he was saying that he is currently testing out shots that are still within the blue cone but severely angled, still flying straight. As he said in his second video, his should should have put in on the left edge of the green, that is what is happening with my shots when I have a swing angle there.
My point is if someone is using these style swings, after seeing all this evidence, knowing that it is giving them an unfair advantage over others and still continue to play it, that is where I draw the line. To me it should be fairly obvious that this type of advantage cannot be left to stand, if it is, then you might as well start a FLICKERs tour where they can all play on the same level and not against players who take full swings and don't share the obvious advantage.
I go back to my ability to hit 90% shots on TGC 1. I knew about it, HB and TGCT knew about it. No rule I couldn't use it but in the end I never used it because it was unethical. No other platform could replicate it. Between clubs? Do the shot and get close to the pin. Same thing with flops shots of 11 or so yards. I could dial those in and make 1/2 of them but I didn't because morally it was wrong. Sadly nothing was ever done about it. I'm hoping we don't find ourselves 5 months from here and nothing having been done about it. As for those who don't know about it? A simple email and a posting on the website would solve 99% of those people to get informed.
Once again, I'm not getting my hopes up. XBoX already has a big disadvantage over PS4/PC with the downswings and the mouse swing needs redoing. That is a lot of changes. Considering HB has never shown an affinity to care about how fair/honest people play (otherwise they'd have people autobanned in societies who have angle snapping on) I'm not expecting anything here. If something does happen it is only because enough people play using the PS4/controller to make it necessary.
For the record: 1. I miss smurf 2. I'm glad he isn't yelling at me. smurfblade88 Ron wants your input
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 17, 2018 3:17:42 GMT -5
D. Could be wrong, but is there proof that any PS4 user has the ability to produce #flickgate shots? Great weeks scoring by the way mate 👍 A few vids I put on twitch the other day demonstrate its not an equipment issue as I’m able to do it consistently with 3 different controllers. The purpose of those videos wasn’t for me to show short swinging by the way, they were to show the community and admin that even though my scores got removed this week, I’m playing with standard eq, and how I can hit it. I put quite a few short swing examples in there due the topic at hand, but the videos are not concise in that regard. FWIW - I haven’t played a short swing intentionally since a few weeks before Q School, as I was advised it could cause me API issues.
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Post by itsmb8 on Nov 17, 2018 3:18:08 GMT -5
Whos the PGA scheduler so I can make some suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 3:18:26 GMT -5
Yep exactly, people seem to be missing the point about the real advantage here, because as we all know straighter hitters with a short swing will get pulled and anybody with a good swing who tries to recreate the short swing is going to be in FPP forum very quickly. Based on what I saw in the vid of cyclerob's round a while back where he got pulled, if sloaner actually swung like he did in the quad-ace vid it's pretty much a dead cert his round would be pulled. The advantage is only possible because someone can swing much less straight but still get the same result provided they're within the cone - which short swinging permits because it cuts off the line before it has a chance to breach the cone edge. Just to clarify for anyone thinking otherwise: If there is variation (left / right) in your short swing, then there is still variation in the result in the game. Anything in the cone isn’t auto straight, but it’s much straighter than if an errant swing were to be completed, that’s your major problem. The comment above saying more errant swings get the same result as a straight one isn’t technically true. A straight shot will always be better, but a short swing with deviation will drift off line less than it should. The difference is absolutely tiny compared to TGC2 though - in the video I posted there was a 1mph 2 o'clock wind which nudged it right maybe half a box at most, meaning being very close to the edge of the cone on a 9i/8i only pulled the ball half a box left. In TGC2 that same line next to the edge of the cone would have sent the ball several boxes left, and that's a gigantic difference with the new game. I would guess that being halfway between perfectly straight and the edge of the cone has no difference at all in dispersion.
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 17, 2018 3:22:26 GMT -5
Just to clarify for anyone thinking otherwise: If there is variation (left / right) in your short swing, then there is still variation in the result in the game. Anything in the cone isn’t auto straight, but it’s much straighter than if an errant swing were to be completed, that’s your major problem. The comment above saying more errant swings get the same result as a straight one isn’t technically true. A straight shot will always be better, but a short swing with deviation will drift off line less than it should. The difference is absolutely tiny compared to TGC2 though - in the video I posted there was a 1mph 2 o'clock wind which nudged it right maybe half a box at most, meaning being very close to the edge of the cone on a 9i/8i only pulled the ball half a box left. In TGC2 that same line next to the edge of the cone would have sent the ball several boxes left, and that's a gigantic difference with the new game. I would guess that being halfway between perfectly straight and the edge of the cone has no difference at all in dispersion. I get what you’re saying Larry, but by your own admission, it’s a guess. My experience tells me that there would be some dispersion. We should ask Sloaner or he should do a video, in fact he probably already has, as I can’t believe he just hit 4 in a row without missing one first!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 3:33:21 GMT -5
The difference is absolutely tiny compared to TGC2 though - in the video I posted there was a 1mph 2 o'clock wind which nudged it right maybe half a box at most, meaning being very close to the edge of the cone on a 9i/8i only pulled the ball half a box left. In TGC2 that same line next to the edge of the cone would have sent the ball several boxes left, and that's a gigantic difference with the new game. I would guess that being halfway between perfectly straight and the edge of the cone has no difference at all in dispersion. I get what you’re saying Larry, but by your own admission, it’s a guess. True but a very credible guess to be fair, since the video proves that getting very close to the edge had barely any effect at all. Even if 50% to the left deviates by a whole quarter of a box (1.5ft), that's nothing in practical terms, it's a complete game-changer compared with TGC2. With wind and lies and green conditions and slopes, I don't think we'll ever have to worry about pure perfection producing consistent holeouts in TGCT in any case - for the purposes of understanding the advantage that non-straight short-swingers have, the new cone effect is huge because they'll have virtually the same deviation as someone who shoots straight with a short swing.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 17, 2018 3:36:38 GMT -5
Whos the PGA scheduler so I can make some suggestions? I’ll tell you if your suggestions include my courses 😂
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Post by hippystein on Nov 17, 2018 3:52:25 GMT -5
I completely agree with sloan, ive been messing around with the flick swing to see just how messed up it is although i nearly get a full line just a fraction short and yesterday for the first time used it in society golf. Its offensive how wonkybyou can becand it flies straight. Its almost like playing a tiger woods game. If you know loft and wind you can stiff everything and even when you get slow or fast at the top its still not as penal as what my normal swing is and i completely agree its when steve says theres about 8 box movement in the blue at least. I was hitting shots and cussing them cos with my normal swing line to the top it would of been at least 20-30ft+ away but yet with the short swing it flew straight. And ended up inside 10ft. Thus leaving me with an easier putt than i would of had. The below pics show you a good full swing and two others where i short swung it slightly with differing tempos and line variation and the full line didnt go as straight as the other two that were shorter. Exactly the same controller swung slightly different. The even shorter lines which ive seen alot of ppl have seemingly have even less dispersion. To get the shorter line my tempo is compromised considerably as i have to feather the downswing instead of forcing it thru as i always have done. im not a fan of short swinging it as it messes me up and shot feedback feels false whereas i know if ive put a slow on it or fast if swinging fully. But results are better on short swings. #theglitchclub.
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Post by rob4590 on Nov 17, 2018 3:53:30 GMT -5
Based on this thread - Doyley - can I play the promotion event in 2 weeks time please, and demote myself based on that result (sandbag?) to another tour where I can actually just (continue to) play the f-ing game normally (with full, very wonky swings), with the rest of the field playing under (close to) the same conditions as me? I've gone from playing 30-40 rounds a week in TGC2 (and loving the game for the entire year) to speed-golfing 8 tour rounds a week (with R3/4 here having no relevance most weeks no doubt) - zero interest in any format any more. Don't think I've played a society event for weeks. Why bother?
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 17, 2018 4:01:19 GMT -5
I completely agree with sloan, ive been messing around with the flick swing to see just how messed up it is although i nearly get a full line just a fraction short and yesterday for the first time used it in society golf. Its offensive how wonkybyou can becand it flies straight. Its almost like playing a tiger woods game. If you know loft and wind you can stiff everything and even when you get slow or fast at the top its still not as penal as what my normal swing is and i completely agree its when steve says theres about 8 box movement in the blue at least. I was hitting shots and cussing them cos with my normal swing line to the top it would of been at least 20-30ft+ away but yet with the short swing it flew straight. And ended up inside 10ft. Thus leaving me with an easier putt than i would of had. The below pics show you a good full swing and two others where i short swung it slightly with differing tempos and line variation and the full line didnt go as straight as the other two that were shorter. Exactly the same controller swung slightly different. The even shorter lines which ive seen alot of ppl have seemingly have even less dispersion. To get the shorter line my tempo is compromised considerably as i have to feather the downswing instead of forcing it thru as i always have done. im not a fan of short swinging it as it messes me up and shot feedback feels false whereas i know if ive put a slow on it or fast if swinging fully. But results are better on short swings. #theglitchclub. It’s clearly impossible for hb to fix this . If you don’t complete the swing don’t give 100% power ..... oh wait maybe it is a very small patch 👀
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Post by smurfblade88 on Nov 17, 2018 4:33:15 GMT -5
I go back to the part of Sloan's post where he was saying that he is currently testing out shots that are still within the blue cone but severely angled, still flying straight. As he said in his second video, his should should have put in on the left edge of the green, that is what is happening with my shots when I have a swing angle there.
My point is if someone is using these style swings, after seeing all this evidence, knowing that it is giving them an unfair advantage over others and still continue to play it, that is where I draw the line. To me it should be fairly obvious that this type of advantage cannot be left to stand, if it is, then you might as well start a FLICKERs tour where they can all play on the same level and not against players who take full swings and don't share the obvious advantage.
I go back to my ability to hit 90% shots on TGC 1. I knew about it, HB and TGCT knew about it. No rule I couldn't use it but in the end I never used it because it was unethical. No other platform could replicate it. Between clubs? Do the shot and get close to the pin. Same thing with flops shots of 11 or so yards. I could dial those in and make 1/2 of them but I didn't because morally it was wrong. Sadly nothing was ever done about it. I'm hoping we don't find ourselves 5 months from here and nothing having been done about it. As for those who don't know about it? A simple email and a posting on the website would solve 99% of those people to get informed.
Once again, I'm not getting my hopes up. XBoX already has a big disadvantage over PS4/PC with the downswings and the mouse swing needs redoing. That is a lot of changes. Considering HB has never shown an affinity to care about how fair/honest people play (otherwise they'd have people autobanned in societies who have angle snapping on) I'm not expecting anything here. If something does happen it is only because enough people play using the PS4/controller to make it necessary.
For the record: 1. I miss smurf 2. I'm glad he isn't yelling at me. smurfblade88 Ron wants your input It must be a trap 🤣 If i cared in the slightest about this game id be still playing and probably causing riots on here but the legitimacy of this site has been badly let down by HB. As soon as it became apparent that people ch***ing were gonna have a massive advantage of the rest of us that drained all my enthusiasm. At least in TGC1 the swing was so straightforward it didn't matter if someone was cheating because at the top level everyone could hit it as straight as they needed to. Now its a mess
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 17, 2018 4:38:49 GMT -5
It must be a trap 🤣 If i cared in the slightest about this game id be still playing and probably causing riots on here but the legitimacy of this site has been badly let down by HB. As soon as it became apparent that people ch***ing were gonna have a massive advantage of the rest of us that drained all my enthusiasm. At least in TGC1 the swing was so straightforward it didn't matter if someone was cheating because at the top level everyone could hit it as straight as they needed to. Now its a mess We wanted a harder game !! We got it. And now we want to send it back..... It’s like that perfectly average girl we all dated then we paid twice for a busty Russian with a mouth of a dyson that has had a mouth full of the whole estate 😭
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Post by mde8965 on Nov 17, 2018 6:58:38 GMT -5
Yep exactly, people seem to be missing the point about the real advantage here, because as we all know straighter hitters with a short swing will get pulled and anybody with a good swing who tries to recreate the short swing is going to be in FPP forum very quickly. Based on what I saw in the vid of cyclerob's round a while back where he got pulled, if sloaner actually swung like he did in the quad-ace vid it's pretty much a dead cert his round would be pulled. The advantage is only possible because someone can swing much less straight but still get the same result provided they're within the cone - which short swinging permits because it cuts off the line before it has a chance to breach the cone edge. Just to clarify for anyone thinking otherwise: If there is variation (left / right) in your short swing, then there is still variation in the result in the game. Anything in the cone isn’t auto straight, but it’s much straighter than if an errant swing were to be completed, that’s your major problem. The comment above saying more errant swings get the same result as a straight one isn’t technically true. A straight shot will always be better, but a short swing with deviation will drift off line less than it should. I’d like to see a bit more of how Sloaner actually made that video, just for the record. Was it with a DS4? Did he mod his controller, or was it standard? He would definitely be pulled for that over the course of a PGA round. Exactly... there is no possibility with a stock controller that is not modified or completely worn out that one can produce those straight lines over and over again. Every version of this game to date has had a different swing technique that works best. I personally feel TGC1 favored mouse swingers big time. TGC2 favored ways to replicate a reasonably straight swing with tempo which was how this short swing phenomenon started. Except TGC2 registered full swing regardless of how short you may swing. I guess it interpolated the line based on the direction it was headed? TGC19 needs to get better in consistency between consoles and PC/Mouse. But for some of these former dominating players to pitch a fit and whine because more or other people have figured out how to play the game they were given well, the ones with legal controllers and no scripting or other cheat devices, and are NOT cheating per the game or API... then what’s the issue. Learn how to play within the rules using whatever works for you too. The video by Sloan whatever he was using to swing he would be flagged immediately by the API. So if he did use a non approved device for that video, then shame on him for creating effect to stir up this drama. (Oh wait PGA is the new World...drama is what the weekly threads are all about) sounds like a couple people are just sore they are not immediately dominating in TGC19 like they may have been in TGC2 or 1. Learn what works in the new game, within the rules (unlike the video Sloaner put up) and have fun. You don’t have to win every week. Drama Onlytrue gripes people should should have right now are Xbox folks and maybe the mouse folks. My whine with the mouse thing is they can vary sensitivity at will. So if they fix the swing where it works as intended. For the folks that use it It’s almost like having a controller with a programmable dead zone that maybe a person would only use (move that sensitivity slider) if they really needed it a couple times a round... for or me I have more than a couple swings each round that are not all the way to the top. I have not changed my swing since TGC2. My swings registered full there. But feel free to ghost me next week, you will see that probably 50% or more swings start or end out of the damn cone. I am not trying to use any exploits and I guarantee you I’m using a stock Sony ds4 controller and no scripting devices. Then again I’m not putting up -20 rounds. No way you can make the API flag everyone with more than x less than full swings per round. Based on what I’ve observed that would flag well over half of the players (at least on ps4) as ps4 will even register less than full swings when you nail the plastic from time to time. So unless HB changes the game to interpolate the full swing for anything less than full like TGC2 apparently did, then you might as well stop griping and play.
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Post by bassman70 on Nov 17, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -5
Looks like I'm going to start the new season with a couple of top 25's Considering how low the scores are and how I've had to really battle back after some bad rounds, I feel great about my final results NOTE: I wish everyone could just not care about all of this swing stuff. It looks like I'm in the minority here, but...I don't care about the flickers or how people are swinging or the scripts, just don't care. My life doesn't improve one bit whether I win at video game golf or not. If I win every week, I'm not going to feel any different and my life surely isn't changing, so I just have the I don't care attitude. I'm having fun playing my rounds, I think the game plays well and that's it for me. I'm thinking ahead to next year and anxious as to what improvements might be coming for the next game and really thinking ahead to the PS5 and what that might do for golf games !!!! I just like the game and am having fun playing. Plus, there's RDR2!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a game
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Post by hippystein on Nov 17, 2018 8:10:51 GMT -5
First of all not pitching a fit dude. Just pointing out a mjor flaw in the game. I love the game i think the last 2 games have been really good but could of been amazing if they iron out the glitches cos thats wat the short swing is. I not b%&ing cos ive hit it solid and putted really good on the whole,a handful of putts have cost me a win so far but it is wat it is im human and you cant hole them all. Im just backing up players after ive seen all the evidence provided its there in black and white. Is a short swing cheating? No! Is it a glitch that gives ppl an unfair advantage? In the right hands yes! When the tours api isnt detecting a short swing which plays zero deviation although showing wonky as. This needs to be addressed by hb asap.
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