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Post by slanman89 on Aug 9, 2016 15:14:05 GMT -5
Just came across this thread and I love it! Hope it helps my game. I looked through a few pages and didn't see anyone ask, so hopefully someone knows! In regards to the loft chart, when you say the first line, that means the first percentage mark right? And also, would it be better to use a less lofted club and loft it up more? Say you want to go 146 yards... You can loft a 3 iron all the way for 147 carry, or you can use a non lofted 8 iron for 145 carry. Does this make any difference? Thanks and keep up the good work!
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Post by bassman70 on Aug 9, 2016 15:36:05 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this...but I think that will not be a choice in TGC2...but you can use it now...as far as it making a difference...I hear it does, but I only loft up that much on a couple clubs...I have never lofted up a 3I like that...I may try it here in a few and see what the results are...or you could just try it on any max firm course and see what happens  |
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Post by ATLdust on Aug 9, 2016 15:50:58 GMT -5
I really think it depends on the club and firmness of green. 3 irons, even lofted, will run further than a non lofted 8 iron. There will be way more knowledgeable folks who will chime in, but this has been my experience. I will defer the rest to the Pro's
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Post by slanman89 on Aug 9, 2016 17:15:36 GMT -5
I guess I'll just do some experimenting when I get home, although I feel like the less loft you have to add, the better the shot would be.
Also, is there a way to calculate roll out? I was reading the guide and it says something like "figure out how much roll you expect after the ball lands". Is that just from experience or is there another calculation for that?
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Post by edi_vedder on Aug 9, 2016 19:10:01 GMT -5
I really think it depends on the club and firmness of green. 3 irons, even lofted, will run further than a non lofted 8 iron.
From my personal experience, I highly doubt that (being true).
But the crucial thing about lofting more than 1 bar is that the wind will have more effect on the ball than it does without lofting (more than 1 bar). So if you would loft that 3 iron to 149yards - even if you've done the basic maths right - the ball will eg. not go as far if you are facing 10mph headwind. So if the wind is up, you really have to be very, very familiar with how the ball is going to react. If you are not, the lofting is going to kill you/your score.
So although I was recently called a "super-lofting"-b%& in another thread, I normally never do it to more than 2 bars. Just because it becomes very hard to really tell how the ball is going to react in the end.
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 9, 2016 19:27:14 GMT -5
I really think it depends on the club and firmness of green. 3 irons, even lofted, will run further than a non lofted 8 iron.
From my personal experience, I highly doubt that (being true).
But the crucial thing about lofting more than 1 bar is that the wind will have more effect on the ball than it does without lofting (more than 1 bar). So if you would loft that 3 iron to 149yards - even if you've done the basic maths right - the ball will eg. not go as far if you are facing 10mph headwind. So if the wind is up, you really have to be very, very familiar with how the ball is going to react. If you are not, the lofting is going to kill you/your score.
So although I was recently called a "super-lofting"-b%& in another thread, I normally never do it to more than 2 bars. Just because it becomes very hard to really tell how the ball is going to react in the end.
Im not playing that long and I often loft sometimes more then two bars and most of that time my ball just fly another way. Now if I read your post im not gonna loft that high no more, maybe its better for my score. Im gonna give it a shot. |
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Post by slanman89 on Aug 11, 2016 9:09:13 GMT -5
I found the last two days of practice that going more than even a bar increases/decreases the distance if you are going into or against wind
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Post by jarednich on Aug 11, 2016 10:10:02 GMT -5
I try to hit to a specific yardage after taking into account wind, elevation and roll out. I use the club with the least amount of adjustment to accomplish this. (i.e. for 147 carry I would loft a 158 just over 1/2 a bar rather than fully lofting a 3 iron) I think the variance with hitting off center and the wind make superlofting way too unpredictable in most cases.
I also rarely use delofting on full shots because I suck at it.
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Post by kitbo on Oct 18, 2016 11:00:07 GMT -5
I undersatnd a lot of what you said Doyley, but i am still confused about the 150 - 200 & 75 % wind in the Generics section 3rd paragraph is there any easier way to explain
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Post by andybarrell on Oct 18, 2016 11:26:37 GMT -5
i do wind direct in face = Windspeed x 2 added to yardage (180yds to hole wind in face at 10mph = 200 yds to hole)
Wind behind me i just take off windspeed from yardage ( 180yds to hole wind 10 mph behind = 170yds to hole)
then you need to adjust from there
Best way is to imagine a clock face 12 = wind behind, 6 = wind in face, 3 and 9 = crosswind (direction of arrowhead)
so a wind at 2 o'clock (where arrow points) is probably about 1/2 way helping so i would adjust in scenario 2 to have about 175yds to hole
its not a science so you need to practice a lot, but it does get easier
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Post by kitbo on Oct 18, 2016 16:43:23 GMT -5
i do wind direct in face = Windspeed x 2 added to yardage (180yds to hole wind in face at 10mph = 200 yds to hole) Wind behind me i just take off windspeed from yardage ( 180yds to hole wind 10 mph behind = 170yds to hole) then you need to adjust from there Best way is to imagine a clock face 12 = wind behind, 6 = wind in face, 3 and 9 = crosswind (direction of arrowhead) so a wind at 2 o'clock (where arrow points) is probably about 1/2 way helping so i would adjust in scenario 2 to have about 175yds to hole its not a science so you need to practice a lot, but it does get easier Thanks for that, makes it seem a bit more understanderable |
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Post by kitbo on Oct 19, 2016 4:17:56 GMT -5
Some great tips & advice, this section has been invaluable to me in improving my game, thanks everyone for the help
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Post by nantez88 on Nov 15, 2016 4:53:26 GMT -5
I undersatnd a lot of what you said Doyley, but i am still confused about the 150 - 200 & 75 % wind in the Generics section 3rd paragraph is there any easier way to explain From my personal experience Doyleys tailwind formula is wrong on most clubs. Say I have a 12mph direct tailwind, the info we are given is to take 75% of the wind force off your yardage so that would be take 10 yards off. I've found I have flew the green on way too many occasions so I just use the normal headwind formula for tailwinds too which is the wind force (12) multiplied by 1.5 =18 and subtract from your total yardage. I use the 75% for shorter irons Lw to 8iron as the ball isn't in the air that long but play around with it I defo find the 1.5 formula better but each to their own I suppose |
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Post by jacquesy123 on Dec 1, 2016 20:48:20 GMT -5
I play with the game in metrics, but I just subtract the wind from the distance so if you have 150 meters and a 10km tail wind I won't to hit it 140 meters, that's pure carry not including roll out, but that comes down to green firmness and the rest, so I do that by feel, not sure if it would be the same in yardage
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Post by jacquesy123 on Dec 1, 2016 20:49:51 GMT -5
Has someone got a formula for down hill puts ie if it 3 inche down to you move it three foot shorter? Or if your like me if it's 3cm would you move it 1 meter shorter?
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