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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 10:55:47 GMT -5
What are everyones thoughts on the number of firm greens being used in a month? Lets keep it civil and constructive please  |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Oct 11, 2016 11:07:04 GMT -5
What are everyones thoughts on the number of firm greens being used in a month? Lets keep it civil and constructive please Shove it up your hold on a sec sorry miss read your post. IMO 2 comps per month PGA/Euro, 1 in Web/CCP , None CCAm But who cares tgct2 will move the goals again so its mute |
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Post by Doyley on Oct 11, 2016 11:12:47 GMT -5
4 rounds in - nice!
(but still discuss away!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 11:23:28 GMT -5
Gradient towards the tour. PGa/Euro get 6 rounds per month.. 8 in a month with a Major, and at 7 or 8 with a WGC event.
Moving down, 4 rounds per month on Web.
CC Pro gets 2 firm rounds max per month.
Cc Am gets 1 max.
Just starting points for discussion.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Oct 11, 2016 11:24:21 GMT -5
4 rounds in - nice! (but still discuss away!)Hey I haven't even registered for a comp yet  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 11:24:58 GMT -5
The point, Doyley, is that we do like variety. Just not forced setups to one extreme or the other as Season two went for the large part. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 11:32:37 GMT -5
I remember a few months after season 1 started the masses were complaining about unrealistic scores and how a par felt like a bogey. We then went to firm/fast and most people complained that they couldn't hold greens or had to aim for rough with pin placements that were 2 yards over a hazard. Looks like we'll be going full circle.
I say if a course has been designed properly to incorporate both firm and medium then they should be used and not be forced to change them to all medium.
Here's one other suggestion:
As it seems we are going to be jumping ship almost as soon as TGC2 comes out, why don't we celebrate the best courses from season 1 and 2 and play a couple of those each month from January? Could always swap the ones that were on the PGA onto Euro and vice versa?
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Post by jtcurrent on Oct 11, 2016 11:37:01 GMT -5
My opinion is we're making this more difficult than it needs to be. 1 round per tourney is OK for firm greens. Setups should accommodate them but I think variety of the course is the best way to showcase the designers efforts. Just my opinion.
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 11, 2016 11:52:03 GMT -5
It will all change in a few months after TGC2 comes out and there's more control over how much firmness can be applied to a green.
The biggest problem with max firm greens right now is that most designers cannot grasp how to make fair, max firm greens throughout the course. It always seems to turn out where the final result is run the ball off the green unless you can bounce the ball 15-25 yards in front of the green. Then chip or flop back. Rinse and repeat.
Most courses simply aren't designed to handle that concrete green setup and most players don't enjoy it. The scores shouldn't be the deciding factor. It should be if the majority are enjoying themselves in league play.
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Post by dh-nufc on Oct 11, 2016 11:58:03 GMT -5
I've said it from the start, we need variety. Courses should be chosen with that in mind. Fair enough, set some guidelines but the one per month rule is too stringent. Ask the schedulers to use common sense and just keep it mixed up. Courses designed to use firm with appropriate green contours and pin positions should be as much part of the norm as tricky tee shots, fast greens, heavily contoured greens and long holes. Variety is the spice of life so they say.
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Post by hershalcrustofsk on Oct 11, 2016 13:38:44 GMT -5
I like variety. It would be nice to see a mix of events with 4 firm rounds, 2 firm/2 med, all medium and also a bit of a mix of green speeds and greens styles. Achieving variety will be difficult with the option of only 1 event a month, that's why I have to agree with Bob that somewhere between 6-8 rounds would be nice. I prefer a well (no long and tucked pins) set-up firm course, but certainly understand I'm in the minority there. I stepped away for a few weeks when I saw the new policy and contemplated not returning, but figured that's probably not the best way to go about it. Really hope some sort of middle ground can be found, or if nothing else TGC2 allows for greater variety.
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 11, 2016 14:24:55 GMT -5
The thing about variety right now is that there isn't much to choose from with green firmness - it's either normal or rock hard because no one likes the 3rd option of pillow soft either.
This topic isn't really a giant point of contention for me. I'm looking forward to TGC2 when we (designers) have more control over this to make a more realistic situation instead of what is available now. Until then, I'll play what is there. The final results are all relative anyway.
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Post by blueorfe on Oct 11, 2016 15:29:44 GMT -5
A bit of everything is what we need. Firm/soft/medium whatever, as long as we don't get the exact same conditions for four straight rounds.
I just lose interest after a couple of rounds when we are playing the exact same setup for all four days (see this weeks Euro tournament).
To limit just one firm round per month is pretty ridiculous really. As long as the course is set up to accommodate firm settings with large greens, no short sided front pins with rough or a bunker in front or pins near to back edges for easy chips, then it works perfectly well and encourages creativity with your approach shots. Much more fun than throwing darts for four rounds IMO.
One round firm, two medium and one soft per tournament, with varying green speeds would be ideal. Or any mix of those settings, would be a lot more enjoyable to play.
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Post by Doyley on Oct 11, 2016 17:22:40 GMT -5
A bit of everything is what we need. Firm/soft/medium whatever, as long as we don't get the exact same conditions for four straight rounds. I just lose interest after a couple of rounds when we are playing the exact same setup for all four days (see this weeks Euro tournament). To limit just one firm round per month is pretty ridiculous really. As long as the course is set up to accommodate firm settings with large greens, no short sided front pins with rough or a bunker in front or pins near to back edges for easy chips, then it works perfectly well and encourages creativity with your approach shots. Much more fun than throwing darts for four rounds IMO. One round firm, two medium and one soft per tournament, with varying green speeds would be ideal. Or any mix of those settings, would be a lot more enjoyable to play. Remember when we had to play the same 4 pins |
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Post by blueorfe on Oct 11, 2016 17:33:06 GMT -5
Remember when we had to play the same 4 pins OMG Yeah, that would be painful going through that now! Imagine that and the wind staying the same for all four rounds  |
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