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Post by dorksirjur on Sept 15, 2016 14:01:25 GMT -5
It's the same conundrum with every competitive MP game. The best will rise and stay at the top, whilst others will complain they can't get a kill/goal/win/capture a point or whatever.
We already have that solution, like all games. Casual play versus your mates. Competitive, as in actually competitive, eSports will never be fair as it will always be biased towards to the top players. And, as such, many will give up as they can't reach that level.
If you don't enjoy it, perhaps try something else before hoping it cha hes to match your tastes? So so many games, art, culture and such out there. You can't make something that is competitive with tier systems and trophies and such both fun and competitive to all. It's impossible.
As it is currently set-up is fine and I don't understand why this discussion exists to be totally honest.
If it's because of burn out, or people leaving, it will happen regardless of what is done. If it's because some are bored or frustrated, welcome to anything in life.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Sept 15, 2016 14:02:18 GMT -5
Brian, I still want your autograph. If I can't have that, can I have your baby? LOL.   Put a shirt on for Christ sakes. Nobody wants to see your nips. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -5
Forced demotions on the PGA and European tour are ideas I have toyed with in the past but shelved them due to our "earn a pro tour card you keep it even through struggles" stance. Voluntary demotions are in place currently but rarely used. I don't mind moving away from the statement in quotes and find a balance where poor play over a period of time drops you down and replaces you with a golfer that's playing better. That accomplishes the main goal of keeping the top tours stocked with the best Golfers. Where are u on the idea of a new q school for TGC 2 with smaller sized tours for PGA & EURO? |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Sept 15, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -5
Forced demotions on the PGA and European tour are ideas I have toyed with in the past but shelved them due to our "earn a pro tour card you keep it even through struggles" stance. Voluntary demotions are in place currently but rarely used. I don't mind moving away from the statement in quotes and find a balance where poor play over a period of time drops you down and replaces you with a golfer that's playing better. That accomplishes the main goal of keeping the top tours stocked with the best Golfers. I think quicker promotions for example 2 web yours a USA and euro one with the 5% and win and get promoted would flood the top tours and people in a slump would be more inclined to demote to regain form. But the earn it and keep it tour policy has to stay IMO. The amount of guys that have ruts then get dumped will make guys jack it |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 14:04:27 GMT -5
Better idea Leave everything the way it is and give PGA & EURO players who feel they cant compete an option to volutary demote themselves. Stockpile the web with these players and let the quality trickle down the CC. The players who want things like "elite" tours or throwin all the top players in 1 tour so they hav a chance of winning dont deserve the title of a PGA or EURO player IMO. So if u wanna have a chance of winnin or competin and u cant do it on PGA or EURO then take a relegation or 2 and find a level where u are competitive. Brian, I still want your autograph. If I can't have that, can I have your baby? LOL. I thought u two did and called him jerry |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 14:04:58 GMT -5
It's the same conundrum with every competitive MP game. The best will rise and stay at the top, whilst others will complain they can't get a kill/goal/win/capture a point or whatever. We already have that solution, like all games. Casual play versus your mates. Competitive, as in actually competitive, eSports will never be fair as it will always be biased towards to the top players. And, as such, many will give up as they can't reach that level. If you don't enjoy it, perhaps try something else before hoping it cha hes to match your tastes? So so many games, art, culture and such out there. You can't make something that is competitive with tier systems and trophies and such both fun and competitive to all. It's impossible. As it is currently set-up is fine and I don't understand why this discussion exists to be totally honest. If it's because of burn out, or people leaving, it will happen regardless of what is done. If it's because some are bored or frustrated, welcome to anything in life. Thank you Chris. I'm glad to see it isn't just me and a few others who feel this way. I honestly don't understand why this is even an issue. I would be thrilled just to be good enough to play in the PGA, which I'm not yet, which is why I don't want to at the moment. But if the day comes when my game IS good enough, damn straight I'll be there and be thrilled about it. In spite of all my b%&ing and complaining. |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 15, 2016 14:06:00 GMT -5
Forced demotions on the PGA and European tour are ideas I have toyed with in the past but shelved them due to our "earn a pro tour card you keep it even through struggles" stance. Voluntary demotions are in place currently but rarely used. I don't mind moving away from the statement in quotes and find a balance where poor play over a period of time drops you down and replaces you with a golfer that's playing better. That accomplishes the main goal of keeping the top tours stocked with the best Golfers. Every1 plays in peaks an troughs , its what denotes a lack of form to not being able to 'cut the mustard ' which will again cause issues 3 weeks ,a month etc |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 14:06:09 GMT -5
Forced demotions on the PGA and European tour are ideas I have toyed with in the past but shelved them due to our "earn a pro tour card you keep it even through struggles" stance. Voluntary demotions are in place currently but rarely used. I don't mind moving away from the statement in quotes and find a balance where poor play over a period of time drops you down and replaces you with a golfer that's playing better. That accomplishes the main goal of keeping the top tours stocked with the best Golfers. Where are u on the idea of a new q school for TGC 2 with smaller sized tours for PGA & EURO? Haven't given smaller tours much thought - still intend to keep fields relatively realistic (125+) As for qschool not set in stone but if I was to make a snap decision today it would be a clean slate with all members new and old going through qschool for initial placement. All tgc1 stats trophies etc will remain - at least that's my intention but more a question for Tim and the code. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 14:06:38 GMT -5
Brian, I still want your autograph. If I can't have that, can I have your baby? LOL. I thought u two did and called him jerry No, I carved him out of a mighty oak. Brian's just a little sprout. LOL. |
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 15, 2016 14:07:44 GMT -5
Here is a question for Mr. Doyley. Something brought this up.
In reality you are talking about it effecting roughly 215-245 people on the PGA/Euro tours. Has there been a threatening of a mass exodus of these people or major complaints? I know I have heard a few folks and know a person or two that have left due to 'boredom' or 'the grind' but not for the reasons we are discussing.
Did this all come about because you are fearing folks want to leave or are you just seeing a large skewing of the numbers and you are looking for a way to make it more balanced?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 14:08:27 GMT -5
Where are u on the idea of a new q school for TGC 2 with smaller sized tours for PGA & EURO? Haven't given smaller tours much thought - still intend to keep fields relatively realistic (125+) As for qschool not set in stone but if I was to make a snap decision today it would be a clean slate with all members new and old going through qschool for initial placement. All tgc1 stats trophies etc will remain - at least that's my intention but more a question for Tim and the code. I support this idea 100%. New Q School and new placements. Keep all trophies. So if I end up in CC-Z because TGC 2 totally F's with my head, so be it. Incentive to get better and move up. Something to fight for. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 14:08:44 GMT -5
Where are u on the idea of a new q school for TGC 2 with smaller sized tours for PGA & EURO? Haven't given smaller tours much thought - still intend to keep fields relatively realistic (125+) As for qschool not set in stone but if I was to make a snap decision today it would be a clean slate with all members new and old going through qschool for initial placement. All tgc1 stats trophies etc will remain - at least that's my intention but more a question for Tim and the code. And a statue for the winner of tgc 1  |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Sept 15, 2016 14:08:58 GMT -5
Where are u on the idea of a new q school for TGC 2 with smaller sized tours for PGA & EURO? Haven't given smaller tours much thought - still intend to keep fields relatively realistic (125+) As for qschool not set in stone but if I was to make a snap decision today it would be a clean slate with all members new and old going through qschool for initial placement. All tgc1 stats trophies etc will remain - at least that's my intention but more a question for Tim and the code. Yes, agree 100%. |
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Post by dorksirjur on Sept 15, 2016 14:10:44 GMT -5
My last say on this is fairly simple. If anything you personally do in life stops being exciting, or leads to boredom, the onus is on the self to make it exciting again. Not on others to step up and change it to your whim.
IMO that's why it should stay as it is. If it leads to me, personally, turning to crap and ending up back in CC-A, no bother as its my play that would have taken me there.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 14:11:50 GMT -5
Here is a question for Mr. Doyley. Something brought this up. In reality you are talking about it effecting roughly 215-245 people on the PGA/Euro tours. Has there been a threatening of a mass exodus of these people or major complaints? I know I have heard a few folks and know a person or two that have left due to 'boredom' or 'the grind' but not for the reasons we are discussing. Did this all come about because you are fearing folks want to leave or are you just seeing a large skewing of the numbers and you are looking for a way to make it more balanced? Specifically came about from more than one person saying they were losing interest because they couldn't compete - it appears they are now in the minority which is why we discuss major changes first Remember I have many pms and tickets to the commish email with feedback that never make it onto this forum so sometimes issues crop up that might seem like they were never presented on the forum. |
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