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Post by tastegw on Sept 17, 2016 6:14:59 GMT -5
Unions way back were good.
Unions now are terrible.
Nothing more needs to be said about that.
Nowadays most companies who do not have unions are willing to pay for good employees, the ones who don't, simply have a bad turnover ratio.
Despite the unemployment numbers, there are more jobs to be had than "qualified" workers.
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 17, 2016 13:43:34 GMT -5
Unions way back were good. Unions now are terrible. Nothing more needs to be said about that. Nowadays most companies who do not have unions are willing to pay for good employees, the ones who don't, simply have a bad turnover ratio. Despite the unemployment numbers, there are more jobs to be had than "qualified" workers. But if there are no unions are you just supposed to trust the corporations and company's you work for? What happens if they have their wicked way with you? Let's say, unfair dissmisal. |
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Post by tastegw on Sept 17, 2016 17:08:24 GMT -5
Um, get a lawyer? They can't break the law.
But if you signed an agreement that states they can let you go for any reason, then you would just need to move on.
But seriously, why would a company worth working for get rid of a good worker for no reason only to have that good worker then go work for their competitor
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 18, 2016 3:23:22 GMT -5
Um, get a lawyer? They can't break the law. But if you signed an agreement that states they can let you go for any reason, then you would just need to move on. But seriously, why would a company worth working for get rid of a good worker for no reason only to have that good worker then go work for their competitor Unions can provide legal representation for those who can't afford a lawyer though, and they also campaign to bring in legislation for company's to have a fairer policy regarding employment, things like unfair dismissal. |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 18, 2016 3:27:47 GMT -5
How about Target shutting down a store and suspending all of it's staff for 7 months, because the staff had talked about unionization. You think that's OK?
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Post by tastegw on Sept 18, 2016 4:45:47 GMT -5
How about Target shutting down a store and suspending all of it's staff for 7 months, because the staff had talked about unionization. You think that's OK? yes it is. like i said, unions way back when were a good thing, they were needed........ unions today kill corporations, thus killing jobs. unions are a money collecting machine now, with the main goal of fattening the big guys wallet, the big guys who are at the top of those unions. when union leaders are getting paid more than the average CEO, there is a problem. unions are ment to protect the worker, not extort money for their own gains. often times the union fees are so high they off set the extra wages earned by the employees who are paying those fees. and we have not even gotten into the fact that once you are a member of a union, its nearly impossible for the employer to fire said member. no matter how bad they suck at their job, all they gotta do is show up and stay legal. when i lived in california, there was a case against a teacher, a teacher who was feeding his students cookies with his jizz on them. the authorities knew about it for 5 years, but could not bust him with solid proof, the school also knew about his dealings, but could not fire him thanks to the damn union. how funked up is that? the school district had to pay this guy a generous sum of money (over a hundred grand) when they were finally able to get rid of him, and he was able to keep that money as he went into jail. thank a damn union for that. (these facts are fuzzy, its been a long time, but the story is 100% real) my father works for a company who is crippled by a union, thanks to the union the company had to merge with a larger company because they could not stay afloat anymore paying their workers arms and legs. this company (not to be listed here) was a major player in the evolution of the transpiration business, one of the pioneers of the past. union killed and seized the opportunities this company could have had by killing their budget vs payroll. now the company is ran by an international brand who has taken many of those jobs away from us here in america by shutting down plants and relocating them over seas, you would know this company very well joe, they thrive in your back yard. but lets not forget about my fathers fellow co-workers. his stories he brings home with him about some of the most lazy mother duckers he has ever met. sometimes he says they do not even amount to an hours work a day, and they are getting paid a salary way more than the average hard working american. unions here in the states, are bad news, bad news for the economy, bad news for the industries, bad news for the future of innovation in many different fields where the unions have a clamp, a firm grasp on progress, or lack there of. |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 18, 2016 8:06:37 GMT -5
Sounds like unions and businesses can't quite get along over in the US, maybe if they could compromise a bit better things could work out. Needs to be middle ground.
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Post by tastegw on Sept 18, 2016 9:41:31 GMT -5
You still don't get it though. We don't need them anymore.
Good companies want to keep their good workers, not lose them to their competitors.
Like I said earlier, there are more skilled openings than qualified applicants. So in essence, the free market on skilled workers has a demand, why on earth would employees need protection from a company when they can simply transfer to a different company who will show them gratitude.
It's not the 20's anymore, we have measures in place that prevent companies from legally doing shady by their employees, thing like discrimination laws, wages, hours worked, breaks, it's all covered under the law.
The only job a union has, is extortion.
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 19, 2016 2:11:02 GMT -5
You still don't get it though. We don't need them anymore. Good companies want to keep their good workers, not lose them to their competitors. Like I said earlier, there are more skilled openings than qualified applicants. So in essence, the free market on skilled workers has a demand, why on earth would employees need protection from a company when they can simply transfer to a different company who will show them gratitude. It's not the 20's anymore, we have measures in place that prevent companies from legally doing shady by their employees, thing like discrimination laws, wages, hours worked, breaks, it's all covered under the law. The only job a union has, is extortion. Because in the US there are more unskilled jobs than skilled job's, and these are the workers that are being exploited. |
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Post by tastegw on Sept 19, 2016 6:32:35 GMT -5
How and by whom?
Not sure how things are ran there, but here we have the ability to find our own work, it's not assigned to us. If you don't like your company, simply find a better one.
Low and no skilled labor such as retail and fast food should not be considered a career, they are just stepping stones with high turnover ratios by design. These workers do not deserve the same benefits as skilled jobs, I'm sure you agree with that.
Let me tell you what would happen if all fast food workers unionized.
Wages and benefits for them would go up, the cost of the food would go up as high as it could to compensate, and there would eventually be less and less customers who are willing to pay the price hikes, many restaurants would have to close, and that means many jobs would be lost. Is that what you want?
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 19, 2016 6:55:24 GMT -5
How and by whom? Not sure how things are ran there, but here we have the ability to find our own work, it's not assigned to us. If you don't like your company, simply find a better one. Low and no skilled labor such as retail and fast food should not be considered a career, they are just stepping stones with high turnover ratios by design. These workers do not deserve the same benefits as skilled jobs, I'm sure you agree with that. Let me tell you what would happen if all fast food workers unionized. Wages and benefits for them would go up, the cost of the food would go up as high as it could to compensate, and there would eventually be less and less customers who are willing to pay the price hikes, many restaurants would have to close, and that means many jobs would be lost. Is that what you want? In regards to your last paragraph, maybe that could help with your obesity epidemic? |
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Post by mnguy12000 on Sept 22, 2016 12:54:00 GMT -5
hey look at what is happening in my city. Our Nurses are on Strike in Mpls/Stpl over healthcare. The biggest thing is they want their Cadillac plan and Allina wants them to have insurance like the other workers in the system. I get that the union wants to keep things status quo but the end is there 4300 nurses are likely to be all fired as there has been no movement. I feel for those nurses, the union has put them in a position to lose their jobs. They don't have a choice to join, you have too. They pay dues and while they are not getting paid (3 weeks now) they Union reps are. So again, like taste said, in the past they where great but now they are hurting more then helping.
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 22, 2016 16:06:27 GMT -5
hey look at what is happening in my city. Our Nurses are on Strike in Mpls/Stpl over healthcare. The biggest thing is they want their Cadillac plan and Allina wants them to have insurance like the other workers in the system. I get that the union wants to keep things status quo but the end is there 4300 nurses are likely to be all fired as there has been no movement. I feel for those nurses, the union has put them in a position to lose their jobs. They don't have a choice to join, you have too. They pay dues and while they are not getting paid (3 weeks now) they Union reps are. So again, like taste said, in the past they where great but now they are hurting more then helping. The whole of our NHS is on strike over here in the UK. They want better working conditions and more staff, meanwhile tens of thousands of operations are being canceled. Despite all of this, the majority of the country are in favour of the strikes and are standing by the doctor's and nurses. Sometimes you have to take drastic measures to change thing's for the better. Our mainstream media has tried to paint the nurses and doctors as money grabbers who just want a pay rise, but the people have seen through the bulls hit and sided with the staff. The media are toxic in these situations. Listen to the actual people involved. |
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