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Post by meunier33 on Aug 23, 2016 22:15:06 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions.
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 23, 2016 22:44:11 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. If the USGA guidelines are 470 yet they set up 500 yard par 4s during their tournaments, who do we trust? Go with the flow. We all play the same course. As long as not every single hole is a 520 par 4, I'm fine with it. |
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Post by stravscu on Aug 24, 2016 1:05:29 GMT -5
From the USGA website:
Hasn't changed since 1958 either. For flat holes, I think 500 yard max par 4's for a 265 yard carry should be about right. You would still be able to fly to the middle of the green into a slight wind (~5 mph), and (depending on the green size) fly to the front into an 8-12 mph wind. So long as the area in front of the green is receptive and you are able to hit driver off the tee, there shouldn't be a problem - even in the worst of conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 1:37:20 GMT -5
The Ratel has its own guidelines, then. LOL
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 24, 2016 2:25:23 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. You know what your right I also noticed playing my rounds last week that there was theses crazy grid lines on the greens . Oh and a big aero telling me the wind strength and direction!!! And apparently the conditions from hole to hole and shot to shot where nearly identical for everyone! Also I had a little putt and 3 balls came flying out of nowhere and bounced around the cup I'm sure there is rules against that! Think I'll start a thread and bring this up with admin . These schedulers should be sacked not worth the money there paid. |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 24, 2016 2:59:19 GMT -5
In real life there are many examples of tournament par 4 holes over 470 yards. But the point has already been made, you're all playing the same course! It's a good thing to play a hole where you know that if you can birdie it you're going to be picking up a shot on the field, surely?
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 24, 2016 6:37:55 GMT -5
There are no "illegal" yardages, fortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:04:24 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. Somebody should inform the USGA of is then. Go check out the scorecard for this year's US Open and tell me how many par 4s were over 470 yards. I'll hang up and listen... |
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 24, 2016 10:27:15 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. Last week CC played El Toro Golf Club. The longest par-4 is No. 16 which plays at 471 yards, 30 feet downhill. It's driver + 5 iron, or 5 wood + 4 iron to reach the back pin. The hole played about a quarter-stroke under par in CC-A and CC-B, and played about one-sixth of a stroke under par in CC-C. So, what you're saying about the hole design is unequivocally false. Even still, par itself is a meaningless number. At the end of the day, everyone is playing the same holes and comparing the total number of strokes it takes to complete the course. It doesn't matter whether total par for the course is 72 or 71 or 85 or whatever. That is complete perception. When I play this game, total par for any course I get onto is either 67 or 68, depending upon the number of par-5s. I expect to birdie each one of them, so what the game considers a par, is a bogey to me, as I am likely losing a shot to the field. I don't care what the scorecard says. If a par-4 is too long to reach in 2 shots (generally due to wind), then I expect to get close to the green and get up and down for par. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:45:28 GMT -5
I smell butthurt!
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 24, 2016 10:46:09 GMT -5
There are no "illegal" yardages, fortunately. I'd say 666 might get frowned upon but meh. |
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Post by drivert on Aug 24, 2016 12:11:10 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. Last week CC played El Toro Golf Club. The longest par-4 is No. 16 which plays at 471 yards, 30 feet downhill. It's driver + 5 iron, or 5 wood + 4 iron to reach the back pin. The hole played about a quarter-stroke under par in CC-A and CC-B, and played about one-sixth of a stroke under par in CC-C. So, what you're saying about the hole design is unequivocally false. Even still, par itself is a meaningless number. At the end of the day, everyone is playing the same holes and comparing the total number of strokes it takes to complete the course. It doesn't matter whether total par for the course is 72 or 71 or 85 or whatever. That is complete perception. When I play this game, total par for any course I get onto is either 67 or 68, depending upon the number of par-5s. I expect to birdie each one of them, so what the game considers a par, is a bogey to me, as I am likely losing a shot to the field. I don't care what the scorecard says. If a par-4 is too long to reach in 2 shots (generally due to wind), then I expect to get close to the green and get up and down for par. This statement right here rings volumes - "Even still, par itself is a meaningless number. At the end of the day, everyone is playing the same holes and comparing the total number of strokes it takes to complete the course. It doesn't matter whether total par for the course is 72 or 71 or 85 or whatever. That is complete perception." |
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Post by Griz891 on Aug 24, 2016 13:10:53 GMT -5
I think alot of these courses get setup with long par 4's because of the ridiculous scores you see on this game. Sure in real life, it would be tougher than hell. On a video game, I think most designers are looking for somekind of defense just so it doesn't get torched for a -15. I mean seriously, just look at some of the ungodly scores you see week in and week out on the tours. Come on guys...it's a dam video golf game...get over it!!!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 24, 2016 13:45:15 GMT -5
On the last two CC courses there have been par 4 holes with pins that are WAY over the USGA guidelines. Par 4 is to 470 yards and I have seen par 4's that the pins are at 502 yards. Keep in mind this is not Bethpage Black or one of the pro tours. Neither are these downhill or with the wind holes that shorten their effective playing distance. At their most difficult these holes can become nearly un parable in some conditions. Somebody should inform the USGA of is then. Go check out the scorecard for this year's US Open and tell me how many par 4s were over 470 yards. I'll hang up and listen... Not to mention the near 300 yard Par 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 14:06:26 GMT -5
I think much of this attitude stems from a misconception that every hole should be "birdie-able". As a designer, I have holes that are never intended to yield a birdie...just like holes on real life courses. Sometimes par SHOULD be the target score...if you make birdie then you legitimately gained a stroke on the field.
Anyways...dead horse sufficiently beaten.
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