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Post by Matt10 on May 25, 2016 12:09:24 GMT -5
Hey everyone - I have just started my golf vlog that goes through the journey of me starting from scratch on a specific swing method, and my personal goal to get to a scratch handicap (currently a 14.7 USGA). I know I have a lot of work to do, but step one is staying committed to the swing method I've chosen. Please check out my golf vlog here: fromscratch2scratch.blogspot.com/And I will post the Vlogs per post, and a quote of the blog content as well. Thanks! |
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Post by Matt10 on May 25, 2016 12:12:21 GMT -5
Vlog #1 | The Jim Venetos Swing - Staying Still in GolfDirect from: fromscratch2scratch.blogspot.com/Sorry for being THAT GUY (vlogging while driving), but I'm really excited. I'll be honest, it has not been that long since I've been excited about the potential of finding a new golf swing method.
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I have tried A LOT of golf methods since picking this game up in 2006.
MATT10'S SWING METHOD LIST (IN NO ORDER)
- Mike Austin Swing- The Simple Swing- Symple Swing Golf- The Golfing Machine- Slicefixer Swing- Rotary Swing- Right Sided Swing- Conventional Swing- Gravity Golf- Natural Golf
LET'S GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT
I am not saying the above are terrible swing methods, far from it, it's just that I'm not gifted enough to be able to make all those movements, all at once (or sequential) to become consistent. Yes, I am aware that if I had used the methods for longer time-frames, I may have achieved some consistency - but for how long?
So why is the JV Swing (Jim Venetos) different?
Because I no longer have to worry about movements in the golf swing, or countless amounts of thinking about moving little, or big, parts of my body.
The entire swing is less than 5 seconds long. Why have I been so okay with using all those methods above that only incorporated more thinking and micro-managing swing thoughts all these years?
Join me on this VLOG as I start from SCRATCH of rebuilding my golf swing with Jim Venetos and his guidance through the academy and his personal feedback. I created this vlog with the intention to stay fully committed to what I'm learning, and combine my joy of golf with the joy of documenting through video. I hope you enjoy my journey to SCRATCH!
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Post by Matt10 on May 25, 2016 12:18:55 GMT -5
Vlog #2 | Par 3 Outing
It's taken a bit of time for my next blog entry, but I come with some actual golf swings now! Watch the video and let me know your thoughts. The Jim Venetos method is quite different than what is out there in the traditional golfing world, but it does have a lot of benefits.
With that said, I'd be lying if I wasn't thinking about the traditional swing method while I was on the course. I must have thought about it on every single hole. I only "caved" once, and even then the results were not favorable. There is definitely a demon that eats away at my golfing confidence, preventing me from staying FULLY COMMITTED to the process. I wonder if anyone else goes through the same type of inner-demons (think Roy McAvoy escque here).
Here's a question for you guys: Do you feel you have "golf-demons", if so, what do you do about them? Please comment below.
Enjoy Vlog #2 - I will definitely get more updates going a lot more consistently. I have started numerous projects the past month, so there will be a lot of content from myself in general. Please subscribe, follow and LIKE anything of mine below - much appreciated!! As always, take care and stay tuned!
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Join me on this VLOG as I start from SCRATCH of rebuilding my golf swing with Jim Venetos and his guidance through the academy and his personal feedback. I created this vlog with the intention to stay fully committed to what I'm learning, and combine my joy of golf with the joy of documenting through video. I hope you enjoy my journey to SCRATCH!
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Post by Matt10 on May 25, 2016 12:20:21 GMT -5
All caught up, hope you guys don't mind me posting this here. Vlog #3 will be up in a couple days, maybe sooner as there is BIG news  |
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Post by mcbogga on May 25, 2016 12:44:21 GMT -5
Certainly an unconventional method you are pursuing there. Pre-setting the bump and then a take on the "over the top from the inside" concept. But how do you hit long irons or woods setting up like that?
And on the short game - that looks extremely dangerous for shots into the grain. You are presenting a ton of leading edge...
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Post by Matt10 on May 25, 2016 12:58:40 GMT -5
Certainly an unconventional method you are pursuing there. Pre-setting the bump and then a take on the "over the top from the inside" concept. But how do you hit long irons or woods setting up like that? And on the short game - that looks extremely dangerous for shots into the grain. You are presenting a ton of leading edge... It's definitely highly unconventional. The concept is playing from a set position, versus micro-managing movements. I use my lead side as the lever that brings the club onto the back of the ball. The intent is to never get on my right side. Jim has been going very strong the last couple of years, I actually took up his method when it first started to gain momentum (before the academy), but gave up too quickly. Since I'm not the expert, I'd suggest watching Jim's youtube videos that outline pretty much his whole theory and application. www.youtube.com/user/jimvenetosgolf FWIW, I'm definitely still not swinging the correct way as my shoulders are still opening up from an overpowering right side, but those are the habits I intend to break through during this journey. Thanks for posting, sir! |
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Post by Matt10 on May 28, 2016 9:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by mcbogga on May 28, 2016 9:34:41 GMT -5
Hey Matt,
Intrigued by this I watched some videos. Only found one where the guy is actually hitting a glof shot and as expected from that set up it's a weak sling hook with a mid/short iron. That is not anywhere near the ballstriking to get anyone to scratch golf. Seems he is preaching the opposite of "over the top". I can see kind of the logic there but it is flawed. The opposite of over the top is just as bad. And the key to fighting over the top is not in an extreme pre-set that makes it virtually impossible to go outisde in to allow you to keep coming over the top. It's much easier to figure out two key concepts in the golf swing - sequnecing (hips/legs lead) and proper right shoulder movement. The over the top usually comes from rotating the right shoulder opposite to how it should be rotated. You go internal -> external whereas the correct sequencing is external -> internal.
I can see how this method gets quick results for heavy slicers, but I do not see it in any way as a sustainable method to shoot even par rounds. I'm sure the teacher here can go par or below - but I'm also pretty sure he had a good golf swing before starting to teach this.
Just my opinion of course.
You mentioned Slicefixer - and (despite the cheesy name) he has some very solid concepts.
"The Golfing Machine" is not a method but a system to break down the components of the swing.
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Post by Matt10 on May 28, 2016 17:07:03 GMT -5
Hey Matt, Intrigued by this I watched some videos. Only found one where the guy is actually hitting a glof shot and as expected from that set up it's a weak sling hook with a mid/short iron. That is not anywhere near the ballstriking to get anyone to scratch golf. Seems he is preaching the opposite of "over the top". I can see kind of the logic there but it is flawed. The opposite of over the top is just as bad. And the key to fighting over the top is not in an extreme pre-set that makes it virtually impossible to go outisde in to allow you to keep coming over the top. It's much easier to figure out two key concepts in the golf swing - sequnecing (hips/legs lead) and proper right shoulder movement. The over the top usually comes from rotating the right shoulder opposite to how it should be rotated. You go internal -> external whereas the correct sequencing is external -> internal. I can see how this method gets quick results for heavy slicers, but I do not see it in any way as a sustainable method to shoot even par rounds. I'm sure the teacher here can go par or below - but I'm also pretty sure he had a good golf swing before starting to teach this. Just my opinion of course. You mentioned Slicefixer - and (despite the cheesy name) he has some very solid concepts. "The Golfing Machine" is not a method but a system to break down the components of the swing. I think the difference is not just on ball striking, but more so the swing thoughts that come into play. This method results in very little swing thoughts (hips, legs, right shoulder, etc). You just anchor on your left side, stay still and swing inside out. I am more target focused without all the "golf swing" mentality, and more so aiming at targets. I'm still learning, but what I have found is more consistency than ever. I'm more apt to use this method because I don't fluctuate my thinking process, and I don't think about trying new things during the course of a round, or driving range session. If you're a good golfer, then you did that by being consistent and committing to a method. The problem is the other 80% of golfers average a 25 handicap can't stay committed long enough because the results don't get any better, and some of us have back problems. I'm 31 and have had back problems from years of soccer, and this is the only method that has not even remotely affected my back. Jim builds the game from the bump n' run (using the same mechanics) all the way to the sand shots. Putting is on the right side, everything else is done on the left side. There is a 7 day trial if you want to peruse the entire lab of more of his swings, and more of his shots. You can also go to powerchalk and look up "jim venetos" and you'll find even more videos of students. Since I've switched to this swing, I do much less thinking about positions and movements. I just think about anchoring on my left, focus on the target, and swing. I still have A LOT of work to do. However, it's the first time I'm going to be completely committed to something, and have a solid mentor (or sherpa as he calls it) to lead me there. Here's one of my favorite videos, because Jim rarely talks about himself... |
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Post by mcbogga on May 28, 2016 22:04:38 GMT -5
Wish you all the best - brother. Having been down the rabbit hole of Internet golf instruction I've seen a lot of it being bogus. This set my "snake oil alarm" off. I can totally see how it now seems to "work" and fix some issues since the pre-set allows you to make the same swing errors (over the top promoting an outside-in path and probably a flip in the impact zone as well) as before but mitigates the results.
Short and mid irons can be hit from a number of positions. The litmus test of swings and ball striking is long irons and 3W off the deck. Just can't see those being hit well from that pre-set. Should also be a challenge to get drives to carry any more than 200-220 yds I'm guessing but maybe his driver swing is different?
IMO there is no substitute for solid fundamentals and two errors don't make a right. Learning the fundamentals and what causes different flights is what gets you a solid repeatable movement. But if it works for you - great!
Speaking from experience, once the initial love affair with the right to left curve wears off you may grow to hate it with the same passion as the slice.
Biggest thing I see in your swing is the right shoulder working in the opposite way and possibly that you are not staying down enough in the back swing.
Granted I'm not a golf pro so take it fwiw.
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Post by nevadaballin on May 28, 2016 22:21:26 GMT -5
I'm going to join this golfing vlog craze soon. Mine will be called Scrub2Scrub Hope to have some video up this week when i head out on Tuesday. Love what Matt is doing, taking us on this journey with him. I'm inspired to do the same. Mine might be total disaster but hey, who doens't like watching a train wreck? |
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Post by Matt10 on May 28, 2016 23:20:28 GMT -5
Wish you all the best - brother. Having been down the rabbit hole of Internet golf instruction I've seen a lot of it being bogus. This set my "snake oil alarm" off. I can totally see how it now seems to "work" and fix some issues since the pre-set allows you to make the same swing errors (over the top promoting an outside-in path and probably a flip in the impact zone as well) as before but mitigates the results. Short and mid irons can be hit from a number of positions. The litmus test of swings and ball striking is long irons and 3W off the deck. Just can't see those being hit well from that pre-set. Should also be a challenge to get drives to carry any more than 200-220 yds I'm guessing but maybe his driver swing is different? IMO there is no substitute for solid fundamentals and two errors don't make a right. Learning the fundamentals and what causes different flights is what gets you a solid repeatable movement. But if it works for you - great! Speaking from experience, once the initial love affair with the right to left curve wears off you may grow to hate it with the same passion as the slice. Biggest thing I see in your swing is the right shoulder working in the opposite way and possibly that you are not staying down enough in the back swing. Granted I'm not a golf pro so take it fwiw. Thanks, Robert. I know you're looking out for me, my friend, and it's appreciated. I feel like I have a degree in Internet golf instruction. I can tell you that Jim is the furthest from any snake oil salesman out there. Four years ago, before he even started the school, he just put out a couple of videos. I was intrigued and e-mailed him on youtube. To my surprise he wrote back, and we went back and forth in some very in-depth conversations. He also built a specific gameplan for me and analyzed my videos. He asked for nothing in return other than being in contact with him and committing to working together. Unfortunately, I didn't keep up and went all over the place, eventually back to traditional instruction. To make a long story short, just recently I decided to go back to Jim's method and saw that he was having a lot more interest, and the site he had dreamed about had been created. He has over 500 videos on powerchalk of analyzing students' swings. That's pretty amazing to me. He's definitely one of the good guys. I have had the right to left shot in my game as well, and still prefer it over the power fade to slice that creeps up in my game. I'm learning a whole new thing here, and it's going to get really hard to not just want to run back to traditional instruction. The thing is I am tired of micro-managing movements, and worrying about different movements and multiple positions in the golf swing. I'm going to join this golfing vlog craze soon. Mine will be called Scrub2Scrub Hope to have some video up this week when i head out on Tuesday. Love what Matt is doing, taking us on this journey with him. I'm inspired to do the same. Mine might be total disaster but hey, who doens't like watching a train wreck? I would love to check that out, man! Looking forward to it - train wreck or not! |
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Post by mcbogga on May 29, 2016 0:24:01 GMT -5
Matt - thinking positions is not the way to go. It's all about getting a grip of the few fundamentals and then just grinding it out.
I'm all for pre-wind and imitations introduced in set up. Maybe the end game to this "method" is going back towards something more natural. Still will need to address that over the top move sooner or later and swinging to right field is not the answer.
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Post by Matt10 on May 29, 2016 21:04:18 GMT -5
Matt - thinking positions is not the way to go. It's all about getting a grip of the few fundamentals and then just grinding it out. I'm all for pre-wind and imitations introduced in set up. Maybe the end game to this "method" is going back towards something more natural. Still will need to address that over the top move sooner or later and swinging to right field is not the answer. Yeah, the over the top move is my struggle right now. I'm hitting some solid shots with it so far, but not the kind of ball striking I would like. I am working on it though. Primarily have to keep my shoulders closed, my weight left, and being still to take advantage of the anchor. These are all set up thoughts, after that it's just swinging the club. Very happy with my round today, editing the videos as another vlog will be up shortly. Playing again tomorrow, we'll see how it goes! |
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Post by nevadaballin on May 30, 2016 4:18:32 GMT -5
Congrats on getting that mentorship Matt. I know that's huge for you right now and I love your commitment to learning what is comfortable for you.
Hope to have my first one up some time this week, some kind of intro thing about me, where I'm at with my game and what my goals are for this year with some game video of my last time out.
Keep on it man, I'm excited for ya.
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