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Post by dh-nufc on Apr 10, 2016 10:12:55 GMT -5
People do loft and deloft in real life so it should be in the game, it should be toned down and made less mathematical though. I agree with you on that point Dean but I've never lofted a three iron to hit 150 yds Completely agree. |
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Post by lessangster on Apr 10, 2016 12:01:10 GMT -5
I would love to see a more organic swing if you like, where you could hit certain percentages of swing like half swing three quarter swing etc. making the game less reliant on maths that's how I used to play TW2014
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Post by blackaces13 on Apr 10, 2016 12:14:31 GMT -5
To put things simply, if you hit a 7i into a 10 mph wind you would lose approximately 18 yards off your distance. If you hit an 8i into a 10 mph wind, because of the higher trajectory, it's reasonable to assume you would lose slightly more off the distance. This doesn't follow at all based on your assumptions. You have us taking off 20 yards on the longer clubs, and gradually fewer yards as the clubs get shorter. So why would it be reasonable to assume that the 8-iron would be more affected by the wind than the 7-iron? Given your assumptions we would expect the 8-iron to lose slightly LESS distance than the 7-iron into an equal wind. |
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Post by blackaces13 on Apr 10, 2016 12:21:03 GMT -5
My crackpot theory: the wind hasn't changed much at all recently.
People are over analyzing the wind and their formulas are probably slightly off to begin with. Every time the ball doesn't land exactly where they believe it should have, they start thinking that the entire game has been overhauled.
I used to notice that many people would claim the putting changed, oftentimes drastically, yet I never noticed any change in putting.
This game can play tricks on you, and IMO wind is just the new putting. A gremlin in the collective conscience of the TGC forums.
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Post by shoey101 on Apr 10, 2016 18:48:48 GMT -5
My crackpot theory: the wind hasn't changed much at all recently. People are over analyzing the wind and their formulas are probably slightly off to begin with. Every time the ball doesn't land exactly where they believe it should have, they start thinking that the entire game has been overhauled. I used to notice that many people would claim the putting changed, oftentimes drastically, yet I never noticed any change in putting. This game can play tricks on you, and IMO wind is just the new putting. A gremlin in the collective conscience of the TGC forums. I am positive something changed With the winds in the game. A few months ago I could land the ball within a yard of where I wanted to no matter the wind. But recently it seems a lot more random with how much the wind affects the ball. It's not a bad thing since it takes a little math out of the game and a little more feel to it. |
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Post by pc17 on Apr 11, 2016 6:56:21 GMT -5
To put things simply, if you hit a 7i into a 10 mph wind you would lose approximately 18 yards off your distance. If you hit an 8i into a 10 mph wind, because of the higher trajectory, it's reasonable to assume you would lose slightly more off the distance. This doesn't follow at all based on your assumptions. You have us taking off 20 yards on the longer clubs, and gradually fewer yards as the clubs get shorter. So why would it be reasonable to assume that the 8-iron would be more affected by the wind than the 7-iron? Given your assumptions we would expect the 8-iron to lose slightly LESS distance than the 7-iron into an equal wind. What you have to remember Mike, is, the example above is for a 10 mph head wind. The difference between a 3i and a LW is only 5 yards in distance, so the variance between each club is only minimal. TGC uses the assumption that, the longer the ball is in the air, i.e. Driver, 3i etc, the more it is effected by the wind. In reality, I'm not sure this is right. If you look at the hight you would get from hitting a SW into a 10 mph wind, the ball would be held up in the air much more for this club than it would be for a 3i, so the amount of time the ball is in the air for both clubs would almost be the same. The adjustments I am now making are from what I have found within the game. I wouldn't make these same adjustments in real life. In reality I would be looking at adding more yardage to shorter clubs against the wind than I would be for longer clubs. |
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Post by naldy89 on Apr 11, 2016 8:06:56 GMT -5
If you hit a SW and 3i correctly, the height difference really isn't that drastic in real life.
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 11, 2016 11:33:38 GMT -5
Spin rate and the Magnus effect has a major impact in wind (or vice versa). More spin = more lift.
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 11, 2016 11:37:34 GMT -5
Which leads to the interesting question if between two identically hit drives there is any case where the one into the wind could actually be longer, assuming realistic launch conditions.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Apr 11, 2016 12:28:36 GMT -5
I think speed comes into the equation. A driver is hit much harder and so cuts through the wind more than any iron could. Likewise with a wood,due purely to the weight of those clubs.
I'm not finding any great change with the wind except the longer pitches are affected more by a head/tailwind,but it's not much. I've always adjusted a bit for crosswinds when pitching.
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Post by blackaces13 on Apr 11, 2016 19:50:20 GMT -5
This doesn't follow at all based on your assumptions. You have us taking off 20 yards on the longer clubs, and gradually fewer yards as the clubs get shorter. So why would it be reasonable to assume that the 8-iron would be more affected by the wind than the 7-iron? Given your assumptions we would expect the 8-iron to lose slightly LESS distance than the 7-iron into an equal wind. What you have to remember Mike, is, the example above is for a 10 mph head wind. The difference between a 3i and a LW is only 5 yards in distance, so the variance between each club is only minimal. TGC uses the assumption that, the longer the ball is in the air, i.e. Driver, 3i etc, the more it is effected by the wind. In reality, I'm not sure this is right. If you look at the hight you would get from hitting a SW into a 10 mph wind, the ball would be held up in the air much more for this club than it would be for a 3i, so the amount of time the ball is in the air for both clubs would almost be the same. The adjustments I am now making are from what I have found within the game. I wouldn't make these same adjustments in real life. In reality I would be looking at adding more yardage to shorter clubs against the wind than I would be for longer clubs. What? I absolutely remembered and applied your assumption of a 10 MPH headwind, and no one is talking about real life. In your post you said (in reference to a 10 MPH headwind) to subtract 20 yards for the 3 and 4 iron, LESS for the 5-9 irons, with it being about 18 for the 7 and more/less depending on which side of the 7 iron, then down to only ~15 yards for the shortest clubs, the wedges. Obviously you are suggesting to subtract gradually LESS yards for the headwind as the clubs get shorter, which is correct based on my observations in game as well. Then you went and said that we should be subtracting MORE yards for the 8 iron than the 7 iron, which contradicts your premise. There is no reason why this trend of shorter clubs being less affected by the wind would magically reverse between the 7 and 8 iron. You just misstated it or applied your own logic backwards for that particular example. Simple mistake, no biggie. |
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