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Post by joegolferg on Oct 23, 2015 10:32:01 GMT -5
Devil's Advocate Question: What is to stop someone (or do we care) from playing the tournament unregistered before Thursday at midnight? If they do well, they register. If they do not, they don't register. (ego protecting against missed cuts) My thinking here is, as a guy that had to watch a lot of cutlines... watching and doing your calculations figuring you were in, and leaderboard watching... it would be kind of cruddy to think you had it locked up, only to wake up friday morning and find out 5 late registrations pushed you outside of the cutline. Or would that be just an unfortunate trade off for cutting a lot of admin hassles? (which is a valid answer) I was thinking along these lines as well. Specifically for those on the top tours... not that anyone would do this of course,  but what stops someone for playing both the PGA event and Euro event as soon as the tournaments go live and just registering for whichever one they do better on? Great profile pic mate. |
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Post by misternic on Oct 23, 2015 11:40:32 GMT -5
Won't this just open the door to people just playing the tournament without registering and if they do well then registering? Not sure anything has changed. Think about it, now the process is an email to the commish. Currently could I not have played, seen if I did well then emailed the commish to register? I realize this is slightly less transparent (automated), but for what the site and admins gain, it is really not a huge concern. If they wanted to play, see how they did and register they always could have... Also the concerns about late entries pushing you out from the cut, that happens now. We never have 100% of registrants play, so there are always going to be "yet to tee off" people even if they are not "listed" now. |
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Post by mcbogga on Oct 23, 2015 11:56:39 GMT -5
Won't this just open the door to people just playing the tournament without registering and if they do well then registering? Not sure anything has changed. Think about it, now the process is an email to the commish. Currently could I not have played, seen if I did well then emailed the commish to register? I realize this is slightly less transparent (automated), but for what the site and admins gain, it is really not a huge concern. If they wanted to play, see how they did and register they always could have... Also the concerns about late entries pushing you out from the cut, that happens now. We never have 100% of registrants play, so there are always going to be "yet to tee off" people even if they are not "listed" now. But it is clearly a breach of TGCT policies as it is no doubt gamesmanship to play before registering. As such I think we'd better try to find a way to stop that behavior. Extremely bad form in my opinion. You want to play - you sign up. Otherwise - you don't play. It's very simple really. ---------------- a. Mutual Respect Among Members. TGC Tours strives to preserve and protect the centuries-old notion of golf as a game where sportsmanship and self-respect are the pillars upon which all the rules of the game are built. TGC Tours expects from all of its Officials, Staff, Members and Designers that only sportsmanlike and courteous interactions will take place on the course, in the forums, when reviewing courses, and elsewhere. ---------------- |
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Post by Pubknight on Oct 23, 2015 12:09:30 GMT -5
I just think that after the tournament has started, the field should never increase.
The concern about late pushes is different Nic.
If you know how many are in the field, no posts or not, the field is finite.
If you know there are 5 people that haven't yet posted, but 6 have to beat you to push you out of a cut... you know you are in.
Trust me on this... I've done that math on Thursdays a *lot* of times.
But letting people come in late, the field is no longer finite... you no longer know how many 'unknowns' are out there.
And it seems unfair to the people that *did* register.
I don't like it, mainly because I see no reason for it.
You can register two weeks in advance for your tour.
I think the player has to have some responsibility.
And if they forget to register, or are unable to register, they sit out a week.
The emailing the commish process now shouldn't exist, (for late registrations) IMO.
Tournament has started? Sorry. You can register for next weeks tournament from the website.
Saves just as much time but is more fair to more people.
If you really want to allow the late registrations, then move up the deadline, to Monday at midnight.
Then at least at more or less the start of the tournament, people know what the field is.
It shouldn't take until Friday for the field to be set in stone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 12:26:33 GMT -5
I agree with Pubknight.
There's plenty of time to register before Friday. If people forget then ah well, they learn a lesson. I missed a tournament last year when I didn't realise Friday was the deadline (was my second tournament). I heard I could probably still get in so I emailed commish, got refused due to field size being full. Was aggrieved when about 25 people didnt post scores but oh well, I got over it and learned my lesson. To save admin, id prefer a black/white approach of if you didn't register in time then tough luck.
I just don't like the idea of people playing before they register and then only registering when they post a good score.
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Post by maximuspowerz on Oct 23, 2015 12:32:03 GMT -5
I am really thankful for this. Any given week, I'm not 100% sure I will have time to get in my rounds, and the last thing I want is a DQ. This way, if I find a few hours on Sunday to practice and play, I can. However, if the week happens to be completely packed, I don't end up with a DQ. Thank you for this.
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Post by Pubknight on Oct 23, 2015 13:02:52 GMT -5
Maximuspowerz, how often has that happened? (had to take a DQ because you couldn't play your rounds).
Your tour profile indicates that you seem to have been ok 16 weeks in a row.
And would that mean that you late register every single week, since as you said, any given week you don't know what your status would be.
I just fail to see how that's fair to the rest of the field.
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Post by Pubknight on Oct 23, 2015 13:10:25 GMT -5
Don't intend to single you out Brent, sorry for that.
I've made my arguments, I'll leave it alone now.
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Post by misternic on Oct 23, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -5
I have emailed a handful of times because I missed registering for an event. The current system of relying on admins to check emails and then update the list of registered players was ineffecient and not working (work wise). The choices are this (register up to end of cut), or sorry pay more attention, cant play. I am honestly not siding one way or the other, I see value in both, but turning people away from participating (even when it is their fault) is a bigger concern than many may realize.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 14:10:33 GMT -5
I think if you had late registration cut off 2 days earlier on Tuesday night, it would allow for those who forgot, but it also would allow for a "finite" or "fixed" field size for those near a cut line come Thursday night. Also, the most someone could see is one round of scores before late registering.
But that is just my .02
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Post by Doyley on Oct 23, 2015 14:38:00 GMT -5
Keep in mind that it's subject to Max field that we'll start enforcing now that we have a good base number to go off of. The other main thing is its there for those coming out of Q-School to jump right into their tour without having to wait. We pretty much got 100% of those requesting in prior so this really isn't much different than what we had before - just up to the golfer to play now. Keep in mind we'll monitor too for those that show up in the API but not register or register late - if we see patterns we'll address it. As for the admin side, well over 50% of the tickets we deal with on Monday and Tuesday are registration based. I'm talking 20-30 every week and this will eliminate that - so on that alone I don't see us backing off on this. This is one of those decisions that is more based on our limited free time to admin than it is on what people may or may not do with it. I've heard all the arguments against it and I can honestly say they don't come close the the bonus of not having to deal with late registration requests every single week - no offense to those that request them  |
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Post by Pubknight on Oct 23, 2015 14:55:00 GMT -5
And that's perfectly fine.
It's just that having a late registration as late as the final cutoff for the R1/R2 round scores seems... well... excessively late.
If 50% of the tickets Monday and Tuesday deal with this... then Tuesday for late reg's would seem to be a good compromise.
The longest a Q-school player would have to wait then is 3 days.
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Post by maximuspowerz on Oct 23, 2015 15:36:21 GMT -5
Maximuspowerz, how often has that happened? (had to take a DQ because you couldn't play your rounds). Your tour profile indicates that you seem to have been ok 16 weeks in a row. And would that mean that you late register every single week, since as you said, any given week you don't know what your status would be. I just fail to see how that's fair to the rest of the field. Once, out of the 15 weeks I've participated in, I've been DQ'd for not finishing. Two other times, I've finished my first two rounds with less than 5 minutes to spare out of fear of a DQ. I do agree that in a perfect world, late registrations wouldn't be allowed, nor would playing the rounds before you register. However, if we are attempting to emulate the PGA, then withdrawals shouldn't hurt either. In light of Doyley's comments, I fully support late registrations if they a) do not impact the current practice (currently approve 100% of requests for late registration) and b) reduce the workload on the admins. Hopefully, I will never need to register late. |
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Post by edi_vedder on Oct 23, 2015 18:29:07 GMT -5
As for the admin side, well over 50% of the tickets we deal with on Monday and Tuesday are registration based. I'm talking 20-30 every week and this will eliminate that - so on that alone I don't see us backing off on this. This is one of those decisions that is more based on our limited free time to admin than it is on what people may or may not do with it. Okay... I totally understand what you are telling, and it is more than reasonable if it's saving you some time! I just hope for you that monitoring those that register late now doesn't end up with even more time exposure... |
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Post by mcbogga on Oct 23, 2015 18:56:46 GMT -5
Keep in mind that it's subject to Max field that we'll start enforcing now that we have a good base number to go off of. The other main thing is its there for those coming out of Q-School to jump right into their tour without having to wait. We pretty much got 100% of those requesting in prior so this really isn't much different than what we had before - just up to the golfer to play now. Keep in mind we'll monitor too for those that show up in the API but not register or register late - if we see patterns we'll address it. As for the admin side, well over 50% of the tickets we deal with on Monday and Tuesday are registration based. I'm talking 20-30 every week and this will eliminate that - so on that alone I don't see us backing off on this. This is one of those decisions that is more based on our limited free time to admin than it is on what people may or may not do with it. I've heard all the arguments against it and I can honestly say they don't come close the the bonus of not having to deal with late registration requests every single week - no offense to those that request them Goddammit Scott - don't be pragmatic about stuff! :-) See that the concerns have been thouht about and that it's being monitored. All good! |
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but what stops someone for playing both the PGA event and Euro event as soon as the tournaments go live and just registering for whichever one they do better on?
