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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 11:52:59 GMT -5
Yeah I understand that, hence the 'loose rule'. The more slope the slower the speed should be. Hobble Creek was Med-fast and due to very easy pins and not too much slope was perfectly acceptable for CC. whats all this talk about speed? how do u know that i sit here doing speed getting pissed with George Best and playing the best golf of my life.....
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Post by TimB on Aug 5, 2015 12:40:37 GMT -5
I will second this suggestion, quite playable even in the cute little HB hurricane winds of 18mph. Just did a quick round and wound up -1, thats without putting a lot of care or thought into my shots. I know I have suggested three courses already and you would not want me to be giving you long lists that take up your time but there was a course added to the completed course forum today called Mistwood Golf Course which I thought was a great course. It is a easy course and good players will shoot sub 60 but it will also allow players in the lower divisions to shoot some confidence building rounds. Anyway, I'll try not add to many more suggestions as you have enough work on your hands but I really think this is a course worth taking a look at.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 5, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -5
I know I have suggested three courses already and you would not want me to be giving you long lists that take up your time but there was a course added to the completed course forum today called Mistwood Golf Course which I thought was a great course. It is a easy course and good players will shoot sub 60 but it will also allow players in the lower divisions to shoot some confidence building rounds. Anyway, I'll try not add to many more suggestions as you have enough work on your hands but I really think this is a course worth taking a look at. I have this one on my radar for my Fall real course tour, so will definitely be checking it out.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 5, 2015 14:27:37 GMT -5
I will second this suggestion, quite playable even in the cute little HB hurricane winds of 18mph. Just did a quick round and wound up -1, thats without putting a lot of care or thought into my shots. I know I have suggested three courses already and you would not want me to be giving you long lists that take up your time but there was a course added to the completed course forum today called Mistwood Golf Course which I thought was a great course. It is a easy course and good players will shoot sub 60 but it will also allow players in the lower divisions to shoot some confidence building rounds. Anyway, I'll try not add to many more suggestions as you have enough work on your hands but I really think this is a course worth taking a look at. I'll also give this one a thumbs up. I played 2 rounds..one more or less a speed round and came in at +2. Played another quick round with a little more shot prep and came in at a -2 (70) with a double bogey and bogey on my card. A 67 was there if not for my little slip up. Very nice course to play.
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Post by Crazy Croc on Aug 5, 2015 14:52:57 GMT -5
clv24, tough job, in all probability an impossible job to find a course that will cater for all 6 flights at the same time. The difference in skill levels simply too big I think. Furthermore some players have already hit their ceiling and are just holding on for dear life and trying desperately to keep their frustration levels in check, others are still fresh off the boat and are looking to improve and move up and will be looking for a tougher challenge. The season is almost done anyway, perhaps one should rather look as to how the flights/groupings will work next year. For the remainder of this season, perhaps cater for the average C/D level players - most/some A/B players will find the courses too easy, some/most E/Z will find it too tough, but at least it will be lesser of evils I think. I'm currently on CC-A, but will probably strike out this week and the way I'm playing lately, probably will take just 3 additional weeks to be slapped down another level. Personally I think from Hoodoo Hills onwards the courses were too tough for the average CC Tour player. (just take a look at the bottom end of CC-A leader boards at the number of players over par (some way over) - supposed to be the top wannabe guys playing on A) Picking courses - general tendency of new releases these days seems to be 7300 yards plus, fast greens and holes cut on big breaking slopes. Its like my younger days all over again going to the local mashie golf course with my wedge and putter clamped under my arm - only difference is now I pack a driver, 3 iron and a putter sitting in front of my pc. So I'd suggest to save time, look at courses at least older than 3 months for starters. Keep in mind that your average challenge tour guy/girl sucks at playing this game - not because some/most of us suck at maths or can't operate a calculator, but because some/most of us suck at consistently hitting that small red cone - that means - at least from a personal point of view - having fairly generous fairways and, Greens - I'm just happy to hit the damn green in regulation. Telling me to hit it a few feet long and left of the pin in order to have a flattish putt, nah - anywhere on the green is a victory in itself. I'd like to see big breaking putts as an exception to the rule rather than the rule. Wind - wind doesn't bother me at all - I'm pretty much capable of shooting over par all by myself without having the assistance of the wind. Some tongue-in-the-cheek comments made here and there, i guess some/most/all might be closer to the truth really, but no malice to anyone (except myself) intended. I don't envy your guys' job to pick courses - tough job as i said already and I'll play where ever is required to play. Perhaps just a tad easier ones would be nice though. Did I mention I miss the Champions Tour?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 15:02:46 GMT -5
I agree with the crazy croc. Like I said in a previous post, try catering to the Average CC player. It should be easy for A players (they'll get their harder fix once moved up to web) and everything will be hard for Z so catering to the CC-C difficulty really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:12:43 GMT -5
Laacher See GC Harvest Theme Not sure if this is on the approved list or not but a nice, albeit, easy course.
The Shakespeare Countryside I know this has been firmed up for PGA play but the original deserves it's own competition on the lower tier of CC. One of the first courses I played with my mate when he first got the game 2 weeks ago and he enjoyed it. He hit over par on it but enjoyed it a lot unlike this weeks tournament. He's on CC-D.
Isla Resaca Tropical Slightly tougher than the first two but still a good fit for the CC methinks. Basically I believe the CC should be getting more fun, relaxing resort-style courses. The going should start getting tough on the Web before getting really tough on the Pro Tours. Maybe I'm picking courses that are too easy? I don't know...
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Post by mnguy12000 on Aug 6, 2015 8:51:21 GMT -5
Luke those courses are perfect. Also I would add the Timber Wolf as well. I think that the high winds for cc z through CC-C are enough to make it a challenge. cc B and A will shoot really low, but that would be ok as it means they are moving up and out of the cc tour and into Web.
As I have been saying for the last 6 months. Putting is what really matters here. We are on the CC tour because of putting. Picking courses that have fast firm greens with big slopes just makes it even more of a let down for those who are playing these tours.
I would think that the level would be like this.
CC: course that are challenging with drives, but not punishing with the greens. Its ok to have fast greens as long as they are sloped gently. Or Med, soft greens with bigger slopes. Like I mentioned above, most will have a tough time scoring with the winds in the teens, they don't need to have ice rink greens to go along with that.
Web: course more like voodoo, and 1000 islands.
PGA/EURO: Seems to be perfect.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 6, 2015 9:09:33 GMT -5
Just to let everyone know, the next 3 unannounced courses on my list were all mentioned here, so I think we are on the same page. I'm also working with the designers to have 1-2 easier rounds earlier in the tournament for each of those weeks.
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Post by naldy89 on Aug 7, 2015 23:44:12 GMT -5
Haven't read through all of this, but I think The National College Golf Club should be looked at for CC. Lot of birdie ops, could be moderately difficult, but not over the top with stronger winds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 1:17:03 GMT -5
The problem is and will be that we have too diverse a talent level here. The CC-A guys are really good and need a challenge like this weekend Hoo'kah La'ka Fingle'Fangle Jingle'heimer Schmidt. The CC-E, CC-Z guys feel lucky to shoot +20. But to give a course where the lower guys can at least come in at par, the A guys would be 40 under and gripe about that. So no matter what we do, we can't really serve the ends of our massive talent pool.
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Post by bogeyman on Aug 8, 2015 1:29:24 GMT -5
The problem is and will be that we have too diverse a talent level here. The CC-A guys are really good and need a challenge like this weekend Hoo'kah La'ka Fingle'Fangle Jingle'heimer Schmidt. The CC-E, CC-Z guys feel lucky to shoot +20. But to give a course where the lower guys can at least come in at par, the A guys would be 40 under and gripe about that. So no matter what we do, we can't really serve the ends of our massive talent pool. Exactly why the CC should be split down the middle. Top 3 tiers play harder courses, bottom 3 play easier.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 8, 2015 9:58:16 GMT -5
The problem is and will be that we have too diverse a talent level here. The CC-A guys are really good and need a challenge like this weekend Hoo'kah La'ka Fingle'Fangle Jingle'heimer Schmidt. The CC-E, CC-Z guys feel lucky to shoot +20. But to give a course where the lower guys can at least come in at par, the A guys would be 40 under and gripe about that. So no matter what we do, we can't really serve the ends of our massive talent pool. Exactly why the CC should be split down the middle. Top 3 tiers play harder courses, bottom 3 play easier. There should be a 3 tier Challenge Circuit..and a 3 tier Developmental Circuit. I play the game to have fun, I play the tournaments and stick around this site because I like the community.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 11:19:21 GMT -5
The problem is and will be that we have too diverse a talent level here. The CC-A guys are really good and need a challenge like this weekend Hoo'kah La'ka Fingle'Fangle Jingle'heimer Schmidt. The CC-E, CC-Z guys feel lucky to shoot +20. But to give a course where the lower guys can at least come in at par, the A guys would be 40 under and gripe about that. So no matter what we do, we can't really serve the ends of our massive talent pool. I really think the A guys should just have to hit really low numbers until they get their tougher challenge in the web.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 8, 2015 11:23:05 GMT -5
The problem is and will be that we have too diverse a talent level here. The CC-A guys are really good and need a challenge like this weekend Hoo'kah La'ka Fingle'Fangle Jingle'heimer Schmidt. The CC-E, CC-Z guys feel lucky to shoot +20. But to give a course where the lower guys can at least come in at par, the A guys would be 40 under and gripe about that. So no matter what we do, we can't really serve the ends of our massive talent pool. I really think the A guys should just have to hit really low numbers until they get their tougher challenge in the web. Exactly. The CC courses shouldn't be made harder to satisfy the top players...let them progress if they're that good and let the rest of us fall where we may. If someone is putting up -30's in CC-D..they don't belong there. You should leap frog right to the top if you put up numbers that match the top division.
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