Post by Brighttail on Jul 29, 2015 16:39:50 GMT -5
Okay all you non-belivers, I finally can come out and talk about this since HB has come forth and acknowledged the issue. First a little back story. With that being said I'm offering INFORMATION only as HB and a few of us are still trying to give data to better understand the issue. This thread is NOT designed to call out anyone. There is an aspect of this information that may imply to some people are cheating.. let me say this is NOT the case for the vast majority of people who experience ball squirt. If you read the full post you will understand why.
For many months there have been many of us saying that ball squirt exists. Simply defined and for simplicity, if you are on a tee and you have no wind and hit a straight white lined shot, the ball should simply go straight. Instead, we have found that the ball can 'squirt' as much as 10 degrees to the right or left for no apparent reason. This can happy on any shot (and even some putts tho to a lesser degree). There were many of us who explored, experimented and offered this data up to HB and believe me in many ways it was extensive.
HB put ball squirt in the game intentionally. The original INTENT was to penalize those people who were using aids to help straighten their swing. In an ideal world, anyone that was using software, hardware or such that would alter the X-axis of the swing, the ball squirt would "turn on". It makes sense that the developers would want to put this in there, the problem was, there were many unintended consequences and times where no x-axis manipulation was done and yet the 'squirt' still existed.
As an example, the supposed recommended DPI for a mouse is 800 dpi. If a person were to lower the dpi (both x and y axis) to lets say 600, ball squirt would be turned on, even though the y axis was also turned down. Unfortunately a mouse also exhibits 'squirt' at 900, 1000, 1200 DPI as well. Simply put it happens regardless of the DPI. Same thing with controllers. People who have simple stock controllers and no software other than drivers, also have experienced squirt. This was NOT intended by HB. HB also stated that we shouldn't assume any of these people are cheating just cause they have squirt, because the evidence shown is that while it is more severe if someone has angle swapping on (a program that will make a perfect shot) it still exists when no such alterations have been made.
HB did say before with me and today again in the community chat, ball squirt should NOT happen or at least it is not intended off a tee...ever. That lie is considered perfectly level. On the fairway there are minor undulations that are not always visible to golfers that can affect the shot. So what is next?
Honestly, probably not a lot. Squirt has been in the game for so long and can affect anyone and everyone, whether you notice or not. It is evident across all platforms equally. HB has stated they will look into the 'unintended' portion of this and why it is happening when it isn't, but to be fair it is a LOW LOW LOW priority. HB has limited resources and squirt is not an event that is game stopping. I was told to look at it as just a little quirk of unexpected luck (yes squirt can help you) or bad luck that happens to golfers around the world in every round they play.
The point of this post is informational. There are many out there who have adamantly stated there is no such thing. Well there is and HB intentionally added it to catch cheaters. Unfortunately, it has leaked over to all the rest who play legitimately as well and they don't know why. While they may look into it, I wouldn't expect it to be something that is fixed any time soon or even if they had the resources to do so, something they would WANT to fix. So it is probably something that we all have to live with.
Final note, there is nothing in the mechanics we can do (like a better back swing), not using loft/deloft, ect that will cause it to go away or be less. It is completely random. While I have noticed that it has gotten worse in the last 2 or 3 patches, HB says they haven't touched it since release so it just may be I'm better at my swing now and I can see it better. Last thing, once again, while it was originally created to counter those who modified the X-axis, it happens to EVERYONE, so anyone that experienced it is not and should not be assumed to have modified anything.
Please feel free to discuss this. I would ask that we keep it civil, if not I'll sic the moderators on ya!
For many months there have been many of us saying that ball squirt exists. Simply defined and for simplicity, if you are on a tee and you have no wind and hit a straight white lined shot, the ball should simply go straight. Instead, we have found that the ball can 'squirt' as much as 10 degrees to the right or left for no apparent reason. This can happy on any shot (and even some putts tho to a lesser degree). There were many of us who explored, experimented and offered this data up to HB and believe me in many ways it was extensive.
HB put ball squirt in the game intentionally. The original INTENT was to penalize those people who were using aids to help straighten their swing. In an ideal world, anyone that was using software, hardware or such that would alter the X-axis of the swing, the ball squirt would "turn on". It makes sense that the developers would want to put this in there, the problem was, there were many unintended consequences and times where no x-axis manipulation was done and yet the 'squirt' still existed.
As an example, the supposed recommended DPI for a mouse is 800 dpi. If a person were to lower the dpi (both x and y axis) to lets say 600, ball squirt would be turned on, even though the y axis was also turned down. Unfortunately a mouse also exhibits 'squirt' at 900, 1000, 1200 DPI as well. Simply put it happens regardless of the DPI. Same thing with controllers. People who have simple stock controllers and no software other than drivers, also have experienced squirt. This was NOT intended by HB. HB also stated that we shouldn't assume any of these people are cheating just cause they have squirt, because the evidence shown is that while it is more severe if someone has angle swapping on (a program that will make a perfect shot) it still exists when no such alterations have been made.
HB did say before with me and today again in the community chat, ball squirt should NOT happen or at least it is not intended off a tee...ever. That lie is considered perfectly level. On the fairway there are minor undulations that are not always visible to golfers that can affect the shot. So what is next?
Honestly, probably not a lot. Squirt has been in the game for so long and can affect anyone and everyone, whether you notice or not. It is evident across all platforms equally. HB has stated they will look into the 'unintended' portion of this and why it is happening when it isn't, but to be fair it is a LOW LOW LOW priority. HB has limited resources and squirt is not an event that is game stopping. I was told to look at it as just a little quirk of unexpected luck (yes squirt can help you) or bad luck that happens to golfers around the world in every round they play.
The point of this post is informational. There are many out there who have adamantly stated there is no such thing. Well there is and HB intentionally added it to catch cheaters. Unfortunately, it has leaked over to all the rest who play legitimately as well and they don't know why. While they may look into it, I wouldn't expect it to be something that is fixed any time soon or even if they had the resources to do so, something they would WANT to fix. So it is probably something that we all have to live with.
Final note, there is nothing in the mechanics we can do (like a better back swing), not using loft/deloft, ect that will cause it to go away or be less. It is completely random. While I have noticed that it has gotten worse in the last 2 or 3 patches, HB says they haven't touched it since release so it just may be I'm better at my swing now and I can see it better. Last thing, once again, while it was originally created to counter those who modified the X-axis, it happens to EVERYONE, so anyone that experienced it is not and should not be assumed to have modified anything.
Please feel free to discuss this. I would ask that we keep it civil, if not I'll sic the moderators on ya!