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Post by CGilb on Aug 4, 2015 10:55:22 GMT -5
That's what I've been inclined to think as well. And it's the 'tee box is always flat' HB-ism that isn't exactly true. So there is x-axis reduction applied ball squirt, and separately, there are bad lie effects. But the bad lie effects aren't random, they are just difficult to predict without better lie information. People call both 'ball squirt', and I'm of the mindset/theory that they are two different things. But, it's all speculation and theorycraft without definitive word from HB. In any event, I've never found it overly troubling. But I play real golf. So I'm not inclined to be surprised or frustrated if the ball doesn't land exactly on the spot I intend it to every single time. Agreed. I've gotten used to it over the last several months and the only time I feel really irked by it is lets say you got a right to left wind. You make your adjustments and hit the ball and it starts right and never goes left and suddenly you find yourself in the thick rough or off the green in some bunker and you are left wondering what just happened? Golf just happened....
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 4, 2015 11:08:52 GMT -5
That's what I've been inclined to think as well. And it's the 'tee box is always flat' HB-ism that isn't exactly true. So there is x-axis reduction applied ball squirt, and separately, there are bad lie effects. But the bad lie effects aren't random, they are just difficult to predict without better lie information. People call both 'ball squirt', and I'm of the mindset/theory that they are two different things. But, it's all speculation and theorycraft without definitive word from HB. In any event, I've never found it overly troubling. But I play real golf. So I'm not inclined to be surprised or frustrated if the ball doesn't land exactly on the spot I intend it to every single time. Agreed. I've gotten used to it over the last several months and the only time I feel really irked by it is lets say you got a right to left wind. You make your adjustments and hit the ball and it starts right and never goes left and suddenly you find yourself in the thick rough or off the green in some bunker and you are left wondering what just happened? And that right there is exactly why it should be kept as is. That happens to every golfer - even tour pros - on a regular basis IRL. It's just brilliant to have it carry over to a video game. Golf is not a game of perfect. Would like HB to clarify what it's all about now that the genie is out of the bottle however. The arbitrary nature of input devices for PC is a separate pandora's box best left unopened maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:11:15 GMT -5
It's hardly fair though if it happens randomly (even if the shot itself was straight). Someone could be one shot behind going into the last and have that happen to them. I would be pretty pissed.
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Post by CGilb on Aug 4, 2015 11:17:24 GMT -5
It's hardly fair though if it happens randomly. Someone could be one shot behind going into the last and have that happen to them. I would be pretty pissed. Sure. But be pissed and move on with your life like you do every week. Golf IS random.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:18:54 GMT -5
It's hardly fair though if it happens randomly. Someone could be one shot behind going into the last and have that happen to them. I would be pretty pissed. Sure. But be pissed and move on with your life like you do every week. Golf IS random. Yh i agree but i would be more than pissed if what i just said happened to me.
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Post by CGilb on Aug 4, 2015 11:21:58 GMT -5
Sure. But be pissed and move on with your life like you do every week. Golf IS random. Yh i agree but i would be more than pissed if what i just said happened to me. But the next week it could happen to someone else (or yourself if you lined up incorrectly) in your favor...it's not like you would be the only one to have it happen to you. So ultimately, I'm fine if they want to incorporate "squirt" into the swing. Sucks if it throws your ball offline, but just like IRL, the best golfers are the ones that can forget the last shot.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 4, 2015 11:22:26 GMT -5
The whole reason for me pursuing this was to find out first if it was a bug or intended. We found out it was intended. Then I wanted to know if it was random or if there was some aspect of our swing, like the back swing that we could practice to diminish it. There isn't. Oh and finally if it happened to everyone since there was a lot of people who said they never saw it. It does.
I'm good with these explanations and I'm good with it in the game to add some randomness across all platforms and skill levels.
Oh and don't get me wrong there are times that squirt has made the shot better!!! Doesn't happen as much as it making it worse but on side hill lies and such you aim and hit the ball, realize you didn't aim enough one way and suddenly squirt happens and you are a like woo hoo!
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 4, 2015 11:24:20 GMT -5
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That - my friend - is pretty much the core of golf. Particularly competition golf.
Perfect drive - in a divot. Stick the approach to 7 feet - spike marks all over your line. Club down from the semi rough as going long is death - hit the worst flyer of your life. That one iron shot you hit thin - surely water in front of green
The guys and girls who are the best at not bringing these things with them into the next shot find their way to the top of the leader board at the end of the tournament.
Golf over 18 holes is a crap shoot - over 72 holes the course generally screws everyone in equal amounts. Doesn't really matter if it happens on the 23d hole or the 72d...
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Post by blackaces13 on Aug 4, 2015 12:41:48 GMT -5
It's hardly fair though if it happens randomly. The randomness is precisely what makes it fair. Poker is a "fair" game. However, if you are in a tournament there is a significant chance that you will get all of your chips in as a big favorite and lose. Almost all games have randomness built in. If you don't like it I suggest you stick to chess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:49:01 GMT -5
It's hardly fair though if it happens randomly. The randomness is precisely what makes it fair. Poker is a "fair" game. However, if you are in a tournament there is a significant chance that you will get all of your chips in as a big favorite and lose. Almost all games have randomness built in. If you don't like it I suggest you stick to chess. Already had a response to my post about this so no more please
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 4, 2015 13:00:38 GMT -5
Haha - three of us jumped on that fairness comment - mate. The fairness police...
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Post by edi_vedder on Aug 4, 2015 20:21:08 GMT -5
I have experienced offline shots from the teebox many times. I thought it was underlying slope that we couldn't see. However, if I am experiencing this "squirt", I shouldn't be because I am using nothing more than a stock Xbox One controller and I have never attempted to modify my controller's x-axis. So in theory, it isn't working as intended. Same goes for me. I am (and always was) using a stock PS4-controller, and I see/saw this happening ocassionally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 2:43:49 GMT -5
Not digested the whole thread but using a stock XB1 controller here and in little to no winds with a straight swing I often find my par 3 tee shots landing 20 feet either side of the pin.
It's very frustrating when you feel you've played the perfect shot and should be no more than a couple of feet from the pin for a birdie at worst only to get a par at best.
Irrespective of whether it affects everyone, it really shouldn't.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 5, 2015 13:03:58 GMT -5
Not digested the whole thread but using a stock XB1 controller here and in little to no winds with a straight swing I often find my par 3 tee shots landing 20 feet either side of the pin. It's very frustrating when you feel you've played the perfect shot and should be no more than a couple of feet from the pin for a birdie at worst only to get a par at best. Irrespective of whether it affects everyone, it really shouldn't. This is 'ball squirt' and i guess it hasn't been fixed if several people have posted that they are still getting it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 18:46:55 GMT -5
I see this most obviously on chips from the rough.
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