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Post by ballysacorn4 on Oct 2, 2020 1:52:36 GMT -5
Isla Volcan Del Diablo - not approved Sculpting and Surfacing issues throughout. Planting looks good but some more care could be taken around deleting trees and grass in fairways etc
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Post by Timbr0_T on Oct 2, 2020 9:29:53 GMT -5
Santiburi Country Club - not approved
Quite close to approval worthy, a few things held it back. - bunkers, cart paths, rough need generous amounts of smoothing and could be sculpted better - planting - some trees in water
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Post by b101 on Oct 2, 2020 12:02:56 GMT -5
Royal Auckengill - not approved
Major surfacing and sculpting issues. Particularly look at fairway sizes (compare holes one and two) and the second hole for blindness / bunkers dropped in the fairways.
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Post by b101 on Oct 2, 2020 12:06:15 GMT -5
Leopard's Chase Golf Club - not approved
Not miles off but there was enough with lack of bunker sculpting and planting issues (either lots of very empty space or giant grasses) - 2nd was a key example here.
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Post by tpetro on Oct 3, 2020 12:50:26 GMT -5
Shinnecook Hills GC - Not Approved
Well, you spelled the name wrong so already off to a bad start. Regardless, course is a poor rendition of Shinnecock. Autogen planting and messy surfacing. I can also tell you didn't use LiDAR because elevations are off.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 3, 2020 13:35:30 GMT -5
In his defense Shinnecock is censored in game.
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Post by rifampinrifle on Oct 3, 2020 16:26:47 GMT -5
Shinnecook Hills GC - Not Approved Well, you spelled the name wrong so already off to a bad start. Regardless, course is a poor rendition of Shinnecock. Autogen planting and messy surfacing. I can also tell you didn't use LiDAR because elevations are off. Thanks for the feedback. "Shinnecock" does not pass the games profanity filter unfortunately. Can you be more specific about "messy surfacing?" And no LiDAR was used, I don't believe I checked that box on submission
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Post by tpetro on Oct 3, 2020 16:47:29 GMT -5
Shinnecook Hills GC - Not Approved Well, you spelled the name wrong so already off to a bad start. Regardless, course is a poor rendition of Shinnecock. Autogen planting and messy surfacing. I can also tell you didn't use LiDAR because elevations are off. Thanks for the feedback. "Shinnecock" does not pass the games profanity filter unfortunately. Can you be more specific about "messy surfacing?" And no LiDAR was used, I don't believe I checked that box on submission no worries on the name, i realized. regardless, the bunkering was surfaced directly onto the fairways instead of the fairways being drawn around. for instance, the bunker on 3 about 80 yards from the green has a thin squiggly edge of rough that comes from just placing bunker brush over fairway. same with the greenside traps on 2 and bunkers down 4, for example. most fairway bunkers have this issue. this really wasn’t the most major issue though, what kept it from being approved was the planting and sculpting. the planting was almost entirely autogen stuff with a lot of bushes and some grass on fairways and in bunkers. also, there are a lot of trees where there shouldn’t be. As for sculpting and visuals, a lot of the tee shots are off in what’s visible from the tees. most bunkers aren’t nearly pronounced enough and the hills/dunes are about half as high as they should be. i can give you a full comprehensive breakdown if you’d like since i’ve been lucky enough to play the course a bunch, but these are the basics.
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Post by ballysacorn4 on Oct 4, 2020 0:38:32 GMT -5
The falls - not approved
This is very close but the bunkers are a bit too flat, some areas of the tees needs a little more smoothing but the big factor was the greens are just too small! I couldn't even hit the island 3rd hole.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Oct 4, 2020 7:51:37 GMT -5
Lush Valley Golf Club Sorry I didnt see a thread for asking why a course was Tour Approved and not Tour Worthy Just wondering why it wasnt? I asked 2 designers who've had some Tour Worthy courses to have a look at mine and they both came back with a couple of small things but "nothing that should have necessarily stopped it being Tour Worthy" so I'm just wondering are they missing something that you are seeing or are you treating the couple of things as more serious than they would? Thanks in advance for your help and in clarifying
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Post by b101 on Oct 4, 2020 8:16:01 GMT -5
We don't get into Approved vs. Tour Worthy, but generally it's just more minor versions of the reasons for Not Approved. Huge variance in the Approved range we get, from those that are barely Approved to those that aren't quite there for Tour Worthy. In essence, anything Tour Worthy is fantastic, with next to no issues, very good hole designs, sculpting, planting etc.
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Post by aeastwood54 on Oct 4, 2020 9:03:09 GMT -5
Hi Ben, yes I realise all of that I'm just asking why mine wasnt Tour Worthy? Think there should be some feedback for this, not just mine but others who might be close to the mark. How are people supposed to know what they've done wrong for the next time? Is it one reviewers personal opinion on an aspect or a flaw (sculpting/routing etc) I've gone out and asked 2 experienced designers for their thoughts as I said previously and they cant see anything obviously wrong so I'm trying to get a better understanding of why it hasn't got Tour Worthy.
Regards, Allan
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Post by b101 on Oct 4, 2020 9:07:36 GMT -5
"We don't get into Approved vs. Tour Worthy" It was line one of the post you realised all of
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Post by aeastwood54 on Oct 4, 2020 9:10:38 GMT -5
Added onto my comment above just so you are aware
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Post by b101 on Oct 4, 2020 9:16:04 GMT -5
Now quoting the second part of the post:
"but generally it's just more minor versions of the reasons for Not Approved. Huge variance in the Approved range we get, from those that are barely Approved to those that aren't quite there for Tour Worthy. In essence, anything Tour Worthy is fantastic, with next to no issues, very good hole designs, sculpting, planting etc."
In terms of your more specific question - yes, it's one person's opinion, but a Tour Worthy course should be clear and obvious. Instructions from Matt and I are that any where a reviewer is on the fence should be Approved - it may be any of the above that are reasons for that. We won't go into specific reasons per course that isn't Tour Worthy, because frankly we don't have the time. Keep working at critiquing your own course, looking at what those Tour Worthy courses do have etc and it'll come.
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