hilgersmj
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Post by hilgersmj on Mar 20, 2024 11:28:12 GMT -5
Hey all,
Quick question.. how do submissions work and how long do they usually take (I just submitted mine yesterday)? Also... who does the images.. cause I feel like mine were not very good.. there were a lot better angles that could have been taken.. the second one was good.. but the first and third are not great... Also if there are any biases towards certain courses from the reviewer what do you do? I feel like there is a ton of bias towards certain style courses limiting creativity within reason (not a lot of beachy/duny style courses relative to realism on tour).. anyway- what does it mean for it to be approved.. I understand TW but I do not understand approved... what is the purpose of being approved and what happens..? Thanks so much for your time and cheers!
MJ
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Post by scootmcgoot on Mar 20, 2024 12:18:44 GMT -5
Karma4U is the one who handles the images, doing so out of the kindness of his heart. Most designers will upload their own images so they can get the angles and look they want to show off their work. Karma does a fantastic job, especially for console designers, who have some limitations in views and looks. If you don't like the ones he put up, i respectfully suggest you submit your own next time.
As far as submissions, the short answer is they take as long as they take. it's usually no more than a few days, but the reviewers are all volunteers who do it in their free time. There are no biases towards any courses. As long as they meet the threshold of what TGC Tours is looking for in playability and competency within the designer, it's added to the database. As to what is used on tour, that's up to the schedulers. Just looking over the courses played this season on CC, there's at least 4 that come to mind that fit the beachy/duney style you mentioned. Maybe there weren't a lot of that style that made TW, maybe they have some planned for later in the year, maybe one of the Pro tours snagged it before the CC scheduler could. Lots of possible reasons, but bias isn't one of them.
And approved just means it meets the minimum standards of playability and designer competence to make the database. Any course that makes the Approved threshold will be added to the database.
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Post by sroel908 on Mar 20, 2024 12:22:41 GMT -5
To add... Here's an explanation on Approval vs Tour Worthy from the course submission guidelines on this forum, along with more discussion about reviewer bias: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/27553/tgctours-course-database-guidelines-updated"Hello everyone, I'm Crazycanuck1985 , the head reviewer in charge of the course database here at TGCTours. Our outstanding team of reviewers take pride in keeping the database up-to-date and completely unbiased. Courses that are deserving to be in the database are marked as "Approved" and those that go above and beyond are marked as "Tour Worthy" and may have the chance at hosting an upcoming tour event." |
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Post by mattf27 on Mar 20, 2024 14:19:23 GMT -5
None of the reviewers are basing their decisions on theme/style/etc. It's simply a question of "Is this course good enough to go on tour, yes or no." The only real selection bias for the review process outside of simple quality of the course would be some very basic playability and difficulty parameters. An otherwise well made 5600 yard course with basic flat greens or 9000 yard fantasy course with 230 yard forced carries wouldn't be suitable for tour use, so would not get a TW rating, but would be approved. Additionally, courses that are usable for tournament play but not of a high enough quality for tour use would get an approved rating as well. Courses that lack basic construction or playability elements would get a "not approved" rating.
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hilgersmj
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TGCT Name: Alec Hilgers
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Post by hilgersmj on Mar 20, 2024 16:05:29 GMT -5
Karma4U is the one who handles the images, doing so out of the kindness of his heart. Most designers will upload their own images so they can get the angles and look they want to show off their work. Karma does a fantastic job, especially for console designers, who have some limitations in views and looks. If you don't like the ones he put up, i respectfully suggest you submit your own next time. As far as submissions, the short answer is they take as long as they take. it's usually no more than a few days, but the reviewers are all volunteers who do it in their free time. There are no biases towards any courses. As long as they meet the threshold of what TGC Tours is looking for in playability and competency within the designer, it's added to the database. As to what is used on tour, that's up to the schedulers. Just looking over the courses played this season on CC, there's at least 4 that come to mind that fit the beachy/duney style you mentioned. Maybe there weren't a lot of that style that made TW, maybe they have some planned for later in the year, maybe one of the Pro tours snagged it before the CC scheduler could. Lots of possible reasons, but bias isn't one of them. And approved just means it meets the minimum standards of playability and designer competence to make the database. Any course that makes the Approved threshold will be added to the database. Hey mate cheers for the response. I appreciate Karma4U I was just curious cause I didn't see an option to upload- it was my first submission! Cheers! |
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hilgersmj
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TGCT Name: Alec Hilgers
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Post by hilgersmj on Mar 20, 2024 16:06:15 GMT -5
None of the reviewers are basing their decisions on theme/style/etc. It's simply a question of "Is this course good enough to go on tour, yes or no." The only real selection bias for the review process outside of simple quality of the course would be some very basic playability and difficulty parameters. An otherwise well made 5600 yard course with basic flat greens or 9000 yard fantasy course with 230 yard forced carries wouldn't be suitable for tour use, so would not get a TW rating, but would be approved. Additionally, courses that are usable for tournament play but not of a high enough quality for tour use would get an approved rating as well. Courses that lack basic construction or playability elements would get a "not approved" rating. I agree- I did not imply they were and if it sounded like that I apologize I was just curious for future builds this is my 1st! Thanks for your time! |
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hilgersmj
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TGCT Name: Alec Hilgers
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Post by hilgersmj on Mar 20, 2024 16:07:43 GMT -5
To add... Here's an explanation on Approval vs Tour Worthy from the course submission guidelines on this forum, along with more discussion about reviewer bias: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/27553/tgctours-course-database-guidelines-updated"Hello everyone, I'm Crazycanuck1985 , the head reviewer in charge of the course database here at TGCTours. Our outstanding team of reviewers take pride in keeping the database up-to-date and completely unbiased. Courses that are deserving to be in the database are marked as "Approved" and those that go above and beyond are marked as "Tour Worthy" and may have the chance at hosting an upcoming tour event."Cheers! |
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Post by mattf27 on Mar 21, 2024 10:59:47 GMT -5
None of the reviewers are basing their decisions on theme/style/etc. It's simply a question of "Is this course good enough to go on tour, yes or no." The only real selection bias for the review process outside of simple quality of the course would be some very basic playability and difficulty parameters. An otherwise well made 5600 yard course with basic flat greens or 9000 yard fantasy course with 230 yard forced carries wouldn't be suitable for tour use, so would not get a TW rating, but would be approved. Additionally, courses that are usable for tournament play but not of a high enough quality for tour use would get an approved rating as well. Courses that lack basic construction or playability elements would get a "not approved" rating. I agree- I did not imply they were and if it sounded like that I apologize I was just curious for future builds this is my 1st! Thanks for your time! No worries, there's plenty of long term designers who don't quite get what the review process is for either.  |
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hilgersmj
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TGCT Name: Alec Hilgers
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Post by hilgersmj on Mar 27, 2024 10:49:56 GMT -5
I agree- I did not imply they were and if it sounded like that I apologize I was just curious for future builds this is my 1st! Thanks for your time! No worries, there's plenty of long term designers who don't quite get what the review process is for either. Cheers! I was doing some research and there are approved courses that are on tour but no tour worthy- do we need to request for that? I have my eye on the Puerto Rico tournament as that is the theme of the Azure Course- obviously if not that is totally cool Im just curious tbh! |
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Post by sroel908 on Mar 27, 2024 11:36:29 GMT -5
No worries, there's plenty of long term designers who don't quite get what the review process is for either. Cheers! I was doing some research and there are approved courses that are on tour but no tour worthy- do we need to request for that? I have my eye on the Puerto Rico tournament as that is the theme of the Azure Course- obviously if not that is totally cool Im just curious tbh! Tour Worthy courses are used for standard tour play, 99% of the time. There may be rare instances where Approved courses get bumped up, and I think Approved courses are used in True Sim a bit more often because they prioritize using real courses in their schedule. However, there's a decent number of Tour Worthy courses that have yet to, or will never even get on tour...so looking toward Approved courses for tour play isn't all that likely. |
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