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Post by retteach on Jul 16, 2023 18:24:46 GMT -5
Hey Harbour Dog,
In answer to your question, there should be green coloured sloping around the 9 box grid that surrounds the pin no yellow,orange or red.......basically 3 boxes in each direction. With that said, most people usually test at one speed up from what they publish at.If I might make a suggestion.....117 is considered slow and 134 is moderate.You presently have yours at 130.Most designers try for the halfway point between levels so 125 or 126 would be the spot you want.The reason I say this is if you would like your course used on tour, it allows schedulers to have 3 levels: your default design of 125, one level below at 117, and one above at 134.You may find that most courses on tour tend to be moderate to very fast but even now 186's don't play as well as they used to.I hope this helps.
Retteach
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Post by sandgroper on Jul 17, 2023 0:31:12 GMT -5
Another thing to take into consideration is there is a putting fitting that can take a player up to +3 higher on greens. So a 142 becomes 145.
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Post by scottish67 on Jul 17, 2023 6:29:56 GMT -5
Another thing to take into consideration is there is a putting fitting that can take a player up to +3 higher on greens. So a 142 becomes 145. Because that kinda of thing happens in real golf all the time, so why not put it in a video game. |
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Post by sandgroper on Jul 17, 2023 6:43:17 GMT -5
It makes no sense at all…
Like a ball that flies further but makes greens slower.
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Post by HarbourDog on Jul 17, 2023 13:53:31 GMT -5
Hey Harbour Dog, In answer to your question, there should be green coloured sloping around the 9 box grid that surrounds the pin no yellow,orange or red.......basically 3 boxes in each direction. With that said, most people usually test at one speed up from what they publish at.If I might make a suggestion.....117 is considered slow and 134 is moderate.You presently have yours at 130.Most designers try for the halfway point between levels so 125 or 126 would be the spot you want.The reason I say this is if you would like your course used on tour, it allows schedulers to have 3 levels: your default design of 125, one level below at 117, and one above at 134.You may find that most courses on tour tend to be moderate to very fast but even now 186's don't play as well as they used to.I hope this helps. Retteach Awesome, thanks so much for the response! I'm not fooling myself into thinking I'm making anything tour-worthy yet haha, but with all of the content I've absorbed, I do think having one put in the database is realistic. So I may not adjust the speed down a notch this time around, but next time I'll definitely follow your advice when I'm picking a speed to start with. And I'll be testing all my pin locations at 134 before I publish this one; even at that slight increase, I may have one that is a little on the sketchy side. |
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Post by seabass11 on Aug 28, 2023 14:02:04 GMT -5
Hey ya'll - Question for the reviewers. I'm working on a course that mimmicks a lot of the old school greens around me where they all slope in a single direction (typically back to front), and where its vital to stay below the hole. I want it to be as penal as possible when putting downhill. What is the max speed that greens such as this should be but still be considered tour worthy? Can pins be placed on yellow slopes or would that be considered too severe?
Thanks!
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Post by sroel908 on Aug 28, 2023 15:16:39 GMT -5
Hey ya'll - Question for the reviewers. I'm working on a course that mimmicks a lot of the old school greens around me where they all slope in a single direction (typically back to front), and where its vital to stay below the hole. I want it to be as penal as possible when putting downhill. What is the max speed that greens such as this should be but still be considered tour worthy? Can pins be placed on yellow slopes or would that be considered too severe? Thanks! It's kind of a hard thing to generalize...however, the course approval guidelines (seen here) say that "Pins in the middle of large yellow or red slopes will not be approved". And as far as green speeds go, you can set them to whatever you wish, as long as they are playable. It's generally advised to set a green speed in between the default speed settings, so that there's more flexibility for schedulers. For example, the default green speed for Fast is 155, while the default green speed for Moderate is 134. Therefore, a user-set default green speed of something like 145 or so would be a smart decision, as both Fast and Moderate would be useable, as well as the default setting set be the designer. As for the dramatic back-to-front sloping on each green, I would advise against setting up greens in the way you are indicating if you're hoping for Tour Worthy here at TGCT. The idea that making a shot/putt that's above the hole "as penal as possible" will really limit any use of the course on tours. Pin locations should be accessible and also varied. It's all about playability and interest. I am not a reviewer, but I do ranger courses that get picked for events. I can say that I don't recall having to ranger any courses where every single green slopes dramatically from back to front in a way that was trying to be so penalizing that you absolutely had to keep every approach below the hole. I think the bigger issue that this kind of setup would have is that the course's greens would get quite repetitive and would not really be a candidate for tour play - due to the fact that every green would play the same exact way. This is all just my opinion, of course, and it's without seeing your course or knowing exactly what your build looks like. But I do think there could be potential issues with the greens you're describing here. Hope this helps! |
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Post by seabass11 on Aug 29, 2023 18:13:55 GMT -5
Hey ya'll - Question for the reviewers. I'm working on a course that mimmicks a lot of the old school greens around me where they all slope in a single direction (typically back to front), and where its vital to stay below the hole. I want it to be as penal as possible when putting downhill. What is the max speed that greens such as this should be but still be considered tour worthy? Can pins be placed on yellow slopes or would that be considered too severe? Thanks! It's kind of a hard thing to generalize...however, the course approval guidelines (seen here) say that "Pins in the middle of large yellow or red slopes will not be approved". And as far as green speeds go, you can set them to whatever you wish, as long as they are playable. It's generally advised to set a green speed in between the default speed settings, so that there's more flexibility for schedulers. For example, the default green speed for Fast is 155, while the default green speed for Moderate is 134. Therefore, a user-set default green speed of something like 145 or so would be a smart decision, as both Fast and Moderate would be useable, as well as the default setting set be the designer. As for the dramatic back-to-front sloping on each green, I would advise against setting up greens in the way you are indicating if you're hoping for Tour Worthy here at TGCT. The idea that making a shot/putt that's above the hole "as penal as possible" will really limit any use of the course on tours. Pin locations should be accessible and also varied. It's all about playability and interest. I am not a reviewer, but I do ranger courses that get picked for events. I can say that I don't recall having to ranger any courses where every single green slopes dramatically from back to front in a way that was trying to be so penalizing that you absolutely had to keep every approach below the hole. I think the bigger issue that this kind of setup would have is that the course's greens would get quite repetitive and would not really be a candidate for tour play - due to the fact that every green would play the same exact way. This is all just my opinion, of course, and it's without seeing your course or knowing exactly what your build looks like. But I do think there could be potential issues with the greens you're describing here. Hope this helps! Thanks for the reply, all great info and things to consider. I should have worded this portion better "I want it to be as penal as possible when putting downhill." What I really meant to say was "I want it to be as penal as possible yet still considered tour worthy when putting downhill." But sounds as if this wouldn't be the only potential problem with this style of green so maybe this just has to turn into a project where I temper my expectations on the review. All good stuff to know moving forward though so thanks again for the reply! |
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