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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 2:18:08 GMT -5
A 3 yard chip from heavy rough irl would be very difficult as you know you'd have to have a bit of club speed to get the ball up in the air. If it was a fairway or fringe lie the percentage shot would be to putt I think. One thing I will be practicing is fairway putts to learn the weight of the shot. 3y from the rough means your pins is too close of the fringe. 95% of 4y chips are from the fringes and pros don't have any problem controlling this. In 21 version, that would be the case for sure. Hitting at let's say 35% with tempo for a 4y one would be way tougher to control than 10-11y one with a probable 65% tempo shot. That would be an odd way to make chips more realistic. Putting from anything outside the green had a weird feeling in 21, but I'm sure it will feel different in 23 The control and difficulty comes from the lie,green speed etc.Everything in golf to the pro is about the ball lie Watched Rory miss a green recently in the US, about a foot off the green, must of hit his chip no more than 2 foot carry in the air and the ball rolled out 20 foot. Difficulty for pros is in the rough difficulty and with extremely fast greens a 4 yard chip can be short siding yourself. |
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Post by beef on Sept 22, 2022 2:21:57 GMT -5
Doyley unsure if you've tried it or not, but what are your initial thoughts on the 3 click method and it's potential use on the Tours ?
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Post by martbloke on Sept 22, 2022 2:53:50 GMT -5
A 3 yard chip from heavy rough irl would be very difficult as you know you'd have to have a bit of club speed to get the ball up in the air. If it was a fairway or fringe lie the percentage shot would be to putt I think. One thing I will be practicing is fairway putts to learn the weight of the shot. 3y from the rough means your pins is too close of the fringe. 95% of 4y chips are from the fringes and pros don't have any problem controlling this. In 21 version, that would be the case for sure. Hitting at let's say 35% with tempo for a 4y one would be way tougher to control than 10-11y one with a probable 65% tempo shot. That would be an odd way to make chips more realistic. Putting from anything outside the green had a weird feeling in 21, but I'm sure it will feel different in 23 I would argue that being 4 yards from the flag but on the fringe, pros would be putting rather than chipping. Only reason to chip would be if there was something on the line of the putt to make it more viable to chip but that is still a tricky shot IRL to get the speed and contact right to land it 1-2 yards on the green to roll out to the flag (and beyond). |
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 22, 2022 3:12:05 GMT -5
Just a thought if you want early access for free. Order the deluxe edition on Amazon and the standard edition. Play the deluxe edition until you receive the standard edition. Then send back the deluxe edition for a full refund
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Post by Mr Longpole on Sept 22, 2022 4:06:04 GMT -5
Fantastic read Doyley
You've summoned up the new game beautifully and have put a few names at rest , looking forward to the new game 100% now and with you saying that masters will be a part on TGC tours , happy days but PLEASE could you and the boys consider taking the aiming marker off on the true sim tour, that's my only real request , please consider it . Cheers
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Post by lessangster on Sept 22, 2022 4:09:48 GMT -5
As long as the tours provide somewhere for us less able players to play I’m fine with the main tours going back to masters. Not having tried the game myself yet my thoughts might change. You guys have been itching to get back to master or legend this last season gone. That’s all I’m going to say.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 22, 2022 4:27:47 GMT -5
A 3 yard chip from heavy rough irl would be very difficult as you know you'd have to have a bit of club speed to get the ball up in the air. If it was a fairway or fringe lie the percentage shot would be to putt I think. One thing I will be practicing is fairway putts to learn the weight of the shot. 3y from the rough means your pins is too close of the fringe. 95% of 4y chips are from the fringes and pros don't have any problem controlling this. In 21 version, that would be the case for sure. Hitting at let's say 35% with tempo for a 4y one would be way tougher to control than 10-11y one with a probable 65% tempo shot. That would be an odd way to make chips more realistic. Putting from anything outside the green had a weird feeling in 21, but I'm sure it will feel different in 23 As a guideline IRL greenkeepers will and can put pins at 6ft from the edge of the green (about 3 yards) but use their heads about when to do this I.E not putting a pin 6ft off the front on a 220 yard par 3 but on shorter par 3s, short par 4s and par 5s you’ll regularly see pins tucked that tight - it sets the risk reward factor when players have scoring clubs (wedges) in their hands, it challenges you to attack these risky pins but also penalises you if you miss short sided. Being able to full swing a chip 7 yards made these shots very easy in 2k21 as did a 15y splash shot for short sided bunker shots. I think the new method will make these shots fiddly which is exactly how it should be! Time for some course management to be a factor in the new game which can only be a good thing! |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 22, 2022 4:30:22 GMT -5
3y from the rough means your pins is too close of the fringe. 95% of 4y chips are from the fringes and pros don't have any problem controlling this. In 21 version, that would be the case for sure. Hitting at let's say 35% with tempo for a 4y one would be way tougher to control than 10-11y one with a probable 65% tempo shot. That would be an odd way to make chips more realistic. Putting from anything outside the green had a weird feeling in 21, but I'm sure it will feel different in 23 I would argue that being 4 yards from the flag but on the fringe, pros would be putting rather than chipping. Only reason to chip would be if there was something on the line of the putt to make it more viable to chip but that is still a tricky shot IRL to get the speed and contact right to land it 1-2 yards on the green to roll out to the flag (and beyond). Completely agree, the short chips can be tough as there’s a danger of de accelerating as it’s such a short swing |
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Post by justjordannnnn on Sept 22, 2022 4:39:45 GMT -5
Absolutely buzzing for this game can't wait to get my hands on it and get playing a new golf game again !! As an xbox TGC player that's played on both master and pro if PGA 2k23 has a balanced master difficulty that acts as an in-between difficulty between pro and master in 2k21 I feel that would be a great starting point but we trust you Doyley whatever you go with, just praying the tempo on xbox leads to a bit more consistency in 2k23 cause tempo in 2k21 is absolute heartache
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Post by Giraffe72 on Sept 22, 2022 4:53:14 GMT -5
Very good and also encouraging read Doyley, thanks for taking the time to write it. Looking forward to my shiny new toy! There will always be disagreements and there will be probably be some issues, particularly around console disparities, but I still feel like every game so far has improved in some way over its predecessor. Especially after reading this I'm expecting that trend to continue so I'll be a happy repeat customer. |
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Post by thegamblinggamer on Sept 22, 2022 4:53:37 GMT -5
Great first impressions. Have they changed the scaling on partials so a 90% swing goes roughly 80-90% distance instead of 50% distance like in 2K21? I could see the new chipping getting very frustrating if they haven't. I was specifically looking out for this in the videos yesterday and sadly mathematically it still makes no sense |
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 22, 2022 5:25:02 GMT -5
Just curious on this statement did you use the standard ball all the time or did you try say the Friction ball pack and what difference did it make.
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 22, 2022 5:28:57 GMT -5
It does sound like they have made a number of improvements to the overall gameplay, looking forward to trying it out once it releases. I particularly like the ball stopping more quickly on approaches without necessarily having to add spin to it. I don't have to do anything crazy when I play golf to achieve this and I'm no pro 😂
I'm not sure there's any way to make all the chipping/short game shots work close to real life ones. There are so many different shots that can be played around the greens from the low run out type chips to short mini flops that just pop up in the air and everything in between. When you hit them they all feel like full shots designed to land on a specific point rather than just a partial of an arbitrary swing length. I like the idea of the shortest full chip being 20 odd metres or whatever it is though, it should make the chipping feel more realistic.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 22, 2022 5:44:11 GMT -5
It does sound like they have made a number of improvements to the overall gameplay, looking forward to trying it out once it releases. I particularly like the ball stopping more quickly on approaches without necessarily having to add spin to it. I don't have to do anything crazy when I play golf to achieve this and I'm no pro 😂 I'm not sure there's any way to make all the chipping/short game shots work close to real life ones. There are so many different shots that can be played around the greens from the low run out type chips to short mini flops that just pop up in the air and everything in between. When you hit them they all feel like full shots designed to land on a specific point rather than just a partial of an arbitrary swing length. I like the idea of the shortest full chip being 20 odd metres or whatever it is though, it should make the chipping feel more realistic. I agree but IRL all these shots occur by “feeling” a swing length and ultimately we will get that feel for the partials on chips flops and pitches after a day or so of playing. I think by resetting the intent on each shot will give us consistent swings that we will learn what carries 5,10, 15, 20, 25 yards with the basic chip swing, it’ll just take practice. Same goes for the flops and the bump and runs |
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Post by bassman70 on Sept 22, 2022 5:45:29 GMT -5
Just wanted to thank you Doyley for a great write up! I can't wait to get the game, sit down and start playing...SO EXCITED! Also wanted to thank Andre, Respawn, Seamount, Apexhound and Jim Gem for their videos and the videos to come...Can't tell you how much they're appreciated. I'm looking forward to the future videos already  |
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