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Post by fransslabak on Sept 11, 2022 13:02:59 GMT -5
Dear TST enthusiasts,
This week, I’m taking you to Florida to play Ormond Beach on Masters. Should be a little easier than last week and with a little more practice under your belts, let’s see what you can do.
Have fun,
Frans
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 11, 2022 15:13:13 GMT -5
Rd 1 - Greens and pin positions leave A LOT to be desired.
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Post by martbloke on Sept 11, 2022 15:34:52 GMT -5
That's the thing with Master difficulty, and especially when water is in play, double bogeys and higher are on the table!
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 11, 2022 15:41:52 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna give tst a miss, for the rest of this game at least. On my TV I can't see any slopes in the greens, which makes reading greens almost impossible. There were a few in the last event that almost went sideways off the putter, because there was a reasonably severe side slope right at the ball but it looked dead flat on screen...there's not much fun to be had with that situation.
I'll have a look at it in the new game for an event or two and see if it's any better or different to this version, and decide whether or not to continue. I do like the idea of no green grids, but when everything just looks flat it's just too hard.
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 12, 2022 5:26:35 GMT -5
That is so true it always amazes me when i look at TST scores how players hole straight putts with just a tiny bit of break. When i look at some of the greens on my lidars when there are double breaks i just can't see how they can be made.I have always thought the more break in tst the easier the putt but if your going to play master going forward if the swing is still the same in 2k23 course choice even more important got to have a bit of room for error for the standard player.
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 12, 2022 9:53:23 GMT -5
That is so true it always amazes me when i look at TST scores how players hole straight putts with just a tiny bit of break. When i look at some of the greens on my lidars when there are double breaks i just can't see how they can be made.I have always thought the more break in tst the easier the putt but if your going to play master going forward if the swing is still the same in 2k23 course choice even more important got to have a bit of room for error for the standard player. yep, good point - it's a tough decision... |
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Post by williamwes626 on Sept 12, 2022 10:02:00 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna give tst a miss, for the rest of this game at least. On my TV I can't see any slopes in the greens, which makes reading greens almost impossible. There were a few in the last event that almost went sideways off the putter, because there was a reasonably severe side slope right at the ball but it looked dead flat on screen...there's not much fun to be had with that situation. I'll have a look at it in the new game for an event or two and see if it's any better or different to this version, and decide whether or not to continue. I do like the idea of no green grids, but when everything just looks flat it's just too hard. It's good you came here and posted so we can help - You need the putting/approach camera on that dips real low firstly. In camera options it's the first option. Watching the ball land on approach and which way it runs on the green is one way to read, watch the putter head - is it parallel to the ground? If the right side is lower and closer to the ground, it'll go right, left side is lower, the ball goes left. How much tilt of the putter gives you part of the hint. Keep the flagpole in - use the cam behind the hole. If the flagpole runs up your tv screen straight through the middle of the wind meter circle, the hole is on total flat ground. But usually - it'll lean left or right. Once you know the slope you are standing on and the slope the hole is on, you'll have enough of a clue if it goes left or right - you'll learn to adjust - you're a great player -you'll be fine - you will feel a sense of satisfaction nailing a 20 foot putt like you never had with the green grid. I thought you kicked my butt every week on TST - maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else. |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 12, 2022 15:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I get all those things, but I have had plenty of occasions where the flag leans and it's still straight, it looks like there's slope but there isn't, and vice versa. It just gets frustrating eventually. I'll check it out in the new game, maybe there's something a bit different with the graphics that makes the slopes a little easier to see, who knows. But like in real golf I'd like to be reasonably confident of my line before I putt, that's what's enjoyable when it drops, knowing you have read it well.
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 12, 2022 16:36:13 GMT -5
Never heard of that before i can never seem to get the camera to work in 2k21 will have to work that out and take a look at it.
Saying all that i have not got the patience to do all the above just like to play quick.
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Post by oswinner on Sept 13, 2022 4:51:04 GMT -5
Had a Bryson DeChambeau moment - Took one look at the yardage of the course and labelled it a Par-68 instead of Par-72... And then proceeded to hit 73 in my first round...! 73/69/69/68 (-9) or 73/69/69/68 (+7) 
STATS (In Brackets is where I stand on PS4 at time of post)
Fairways Hit: 73.21% (3/13)
Greens Hit: 59.72% (11/13)
Scrambling: 65.52% (8/13)
Three-Putts: 1.39% (2/13)
Proximity to Hole: 34.6ft (12/13)
Wasn't at my best. First round was my first round on the game for about a week so I'll take it as a 'practice round' but rounds two and three my approach play was poor. Round 4 was a lot better other than one hole that I double bogeyed when I was 10 yards away for birdie - short game nightmare! In fact, looking at it I hit the most greens in round 3 so what do I know? Oh actually, my proximity to hole was best in round 4 so I'm redeemed. Enjoyed myself once again even if the course was easy peasy and I played below my average.
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Post by williamwes626 on Sept 13, 2022 8:23:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I get all those things, but I have had plenty of occasions where the flag leans and it's still straight, it looks like there's slope but there isn't, and vice versa. It just gets frustrating eventually. I'll check it out in the new game, maybe there's something a bit different with the graphics that makes the slopes a little easier to see, who knows. But like in real golf I'd like to be reasonably confident of my line before I putt, that's what's enjoyable when it drops, knowing you have read it well. On those occasions you mention, the hole is on a slope but the ground between you and the hole is flat - usually you get the hint from either the flag or the putter - it's very rare when both don't give you any info. Every week here, I played one practice round green grids on, then off when it was time to play and it's not any kind of game flaw - there are times the hole is on a slope with flat ground near by. In real life, you're estimating off of your confident guess just like here. Think of this way - 90-95% of the greens generally on golf courses slope from back to front. So whether your approach lands on the left or right of the hole, chances are the putt rolls towards the front of the green. So if you're left of the hole it will roll right and vice versa. There's always uncertainty in golf - that's the fun to me - don't give up on yourself - you beat plenty of players every week, you're better than I am. Plus we're getting a whole new game anyway so we'll see how it goes then like you say. |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 13, 2022 19:05:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I get all those things, but I have had plenty of occasions where the flag leans and it's still straight, it looks like there's slope but there isn't, and vice versa. It just gets frustrating eventually. I'll check it out in the new game, maybe there's something a bit different with the graphics that makes the slopes a little easier to see, who knows. But like in real golf I'd like to be reasonably confident of my line before I putt, that's what's enjoyable when it drops, knowing you have read it well. On those occasions you mention, the hole is on a slope but the ground between you and the hole is flat - usually you get the hint from either the flag or the putter - it's very rare when both don't give you any info. Every week here, I played one practice round green grids on, then off when it was time to play and it's not any kind of game flaw - there are times the hole is on a slope with flat ground near by. In real life, you're estimating off of your confident guess just like here. Think of this way - 90-95% of the greens generally on golf courses slope from back to front. So whether your approach lands on the left or right of the hole, chances are the putt rolls towards the front of the green. So if you're left of the hole it will roll right and vice versa. There's always uncertainty in golf - that's the fun to me - don't give up on yourself - you beat plenty of players every week, you're better than I am. Plus we're getting a whole new game anyway so we'll see how it goes then like you say. I'm not saying there's any flaw in the game, it's just on a TV screen slopes are almost impossible to see most of the time. You don't pick up on small slopes along the line for example because they're invisible. In real golf you can't always see them either of course, but I normally stand in several places along the line to feel it in my feet as well as look at it, usually from behind the ball and the hole. It's not perfect, but it's still a lot better than "this just looks flat and I have no idea where to aim it". I'll definitely play some in the new game to see if it's improved a bit with that sort of thing, and then decide if I'll play the season or not. I suppose not playing does give me more time to work on my real game so that's a consideration as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 19:30:51 GMT -5
On those occasions you mention, the hole is on a slope but the ground between you and the hole is flat - usually you get the hint from either the flag or the putter - it's very rare when both don't give you any info. Every week here, I played one practice round green grids on, then off when it was time to play and it's not any kind of game flaw - there are times the hole is on a slope with flat ground near by. In real life, you're estimating off of your confident guess just like here. Think of this way - 90-95% of the greens generally on golf courses slope from back to front. So whether your approach lands on the left or right of the hole, chances are the putt rolls towards the front of the green. So if you're left of the hole it will roll right and vice versa. There's always uncertainty in golf - that's the fun to me - don't give up on yourself - you beat plenty of players every week, you're better than I am. Plus we're getting a whole new game anyway so we'll see how it goes then like you say. I'm not saying there's any flaw in the game, it's just on a TV screen slopes are almost impossible to see most of the time. You don't pick up on small slopes along the line for example because they're invisible. In real golf you can't always see them either of course, but I normally stand in several places along the line to feel it in my feet as well as look at it, usually from behind the ball and the hole. It's not perfect, but it's still a lot better than "this just looks flat and I have no idea where to aim it". I'll definitely play some in the new game to see if it's improved a bit with that sort of thing, and then decide if I'll play the season or not. I suppose not playing does give me more time to work on my real game so that's a consideration as well. I have been playing the TGC games for 8 years now and ONLY without grids. It does become a second nature. Just ask any of the best no grid putters on TST. You just see those breaks. I don't have the flag in as the hole lean is pretty obvious to me without it. The reverse cam does give a good indication of break around and after the hole. My medium putt stats(5 to 10ft) smash any PGA Tour pro and long putts (Over 10ft) are on par with a good PGA Tour putter. I have had days where I hole everything and days where I burn the edge too many times. Very rarely misread putts, the no grid putting in this game is awesome by far the best part of the game. Oh and I don't use marker. Just give it time the more you putt without grids the more you just get that feel. |
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Post by martbloke on Sept 14, 2022 1:09:38 GMT -5
I'm not saying there's any flaw in the game, it's just on a TV screen slopes are almost impossible to see most of the time. You don't pick up on small slopes along the line for example because they're invisible. In real golf you can't always see them either of course, but I normally stand in several places along the line to feel it in my feet as well as look at it, usually from behind the ball and the hole. It's not perfect, but it's still a lot better than "this just looks flat and I have no idea where to aim it". I'll definitely play some in the new game to see if it's improved a bit with that sort of thing, and then decide if I'll play the season or not. I suppose not playing does give me more time to work on my real game so that's a consideration as well. I have been playing the TGC games for 8 years now and ONLY without grids. It does become a second nature. Just ask any of the best no grid putters on TST. You just see those breaks. I don't have the flag in as the hole lean is pretty obvious to me without it. The reverse cam does give a good indication of break around and after the hole. My medium putt stats(5 to 10ft) smash any PGA Tour pro and long putts (Over 10ft) are on par with a good PGA Tour putter. I have had days where I hole everything and days where I burn the edge too many times. Very rarely misread putts, the no grid putting in this game is awesome by far the best part of the game. Oh and I don't use marker. Just give it time the more you putt without grids the more you just get that feel. I agree. I've been playing no grids in this series since TGC2 and there is no way I'd go back to grids. The lines/slopes are not "almost impossible" I can tell you that. It is an adjustment for sure and takes a little time, practice and experience with, not only getting speed and aim right, but also with the cameras and finding what works best for you. For me, I always putt in that full camera which is zoomed in but above and angled down as that gives me the best view of the distance of club head away from ball to judge pace. For reading the putt, I will always click my camera to show the floor view for aiming, and in putt cam 1 (behind ball) I pull the camera down to the ground to see slopes from the front, cam 2 (behind hole) is best to see from closer to the hole - although there are camera issues for big up/downhill putts. With both cameras, I will slowly bring the camera up and down to see the break. If I'm having trouble I will use the side cameras to see if I can see if it breaks (will show uphill/downhill slope in side cam if it is. If all the fails, then yes aim is a bit of guesswork but generally in these cases, if you get pace right, you shouldn't be far for a tap in on medium to long distances - if you can't read the break, it's going to be very minor. You should be able to see medium to big breaks and aim accordingly. Pace is the big thing for no grids putting. Get that good and you will be fine. |
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Post by oswinner on Sept 14, 2022 3:22:53 GMT -5
The lines are not almost impossible to see and you can move around the green to get looks from different angles.
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