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Post by zooby97 on Jul 6, 2022 6:56:39 GMT -5
So essentially we need the Master swing to return now that HB has fixed the swing mechanics. As somebody who complained about the severity of some of the Master penalties (short game especially), a lot, I agree. HB/2K eventually made the level playable, and enjoyable, for a hacker like me and I would be happy to see it return. Depends though on whether HB/2K drop a new game and then we’ll all be off on the rollercoaster again 🤣 I agree 100%. Master swing puts a little more skill back into the game. If the new game does not drop in Aug then I hope TGC Tours goes back to Master swing for all tiers again. Yes, even CC. Master swing will cause more separation from players. I had no problem with Pro for this season but hopefully we game drops prior to the new season, but if not then hopefully Master swing returns to all fronts. |
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Post by greyosprey on Jul 6, 2022 14:20:52 GMT -5
Whatever they decide to do, I hope they address the abyss commonly referred to as CC. CC has the most players, yet everyone plays the same course. Meanwhile, there's 3 pro societies consisting of less than 500 players playing 3 separate courses.
I would venture that at least 90% of CC players will never get out of CC purgatory. It would be nice if CC could have two courses and it's own majors. As it stands right now, there's no incentive to playing CC. There's certainly nothing to look forward to outside of not qualifying for the next Playstation major/event.
And I imagine this will be unpopular with the pro players, but why not combine the 3 pro societies into 1 and then divide them into tiers like CC? This would free up 2 additional societies (per console) for other ideas/tours/etc.
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Post by martbloke on Jul 6, 2022 16:58:04 GMT -5
Hang on! I can't take this seriously if you're saying to play the course WITH HIGH WINDS. If the course is difficult, then there's no need to artificially up the difficulty with God powers. It should be difficult on default settings including normal/low winds. That makes a difficult course in my book. It was the single most difficult course Ive ever scheduled, I also threw on High winds because Plat never plays more than one round below it these days. We're playing on pro, any course that would be as hard as this on default settings wouldnt even be considered TW because the course is tricked up so much. Hang on! I can't take this seriously if you're saying to play the course WITH HIGH WINDS. If the course is difficult, then there's no need to artificially up the difficulty with God powers. It should be difficult on default settings including normal/low winds. That makes a difficult course in my book. Dude, you’re talking to the Platinum scheduler so I’m sure he knows what he’s talking about. Also Barton Hills is a chore to break par on low winds but he’s saying Plat players are so damn good even the most tricked up courses need high winds to challenge them. Well this only tells me 1 thing, if you have to trick up a course with high winds constantly and likely hard, fast greens because players are too darn good, your difficulty swing settings are wrong! |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jul 6, 2022 17:11:50 GMT -5
Whatever they decide to do, I hope they address the abyss commonly referred to as CC. CC has the most players, yet everyone plays the same course. Meanwhile, there's 3 pro societies consisting of less than 500 players playing 3 separate courses. I would venture that at least 90% of CC players will never get out of CC purgatory. It would be nice if CC could have two courses and it's own majors. As it stands right now, there's no incentive to playing CC. There's certainly nothing to look forward to outside of not qualifying for the next Playstation major/event. And I imagine this will be unpopular with the pro players, but why not combine the 3 pro societies into 1 and then divide them into tiers like CC? This would free up 2 additional societies (per console) for other ideas/tours/etc. Plenty of good stuff in here. I always preferred the old CC-Pro/CC-Am set up where there were 2 courses set up for CC with the Pro set up/course and little step up from the Am, especially as the scheduler is currently trying to set up a single course to cover 12(!) divisions of players of massively differing abilities. Majors for CC? Why ever not, would be a fantastic addition. |
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Post by up mup kupen nup on Jul 6, 2022 23:31:47 GMT -5
Whatever they decide to do, I hope they address the abyss commonly referred to as CC. CC has the most players, yet everyone plays the same course. Meanwhile, there's 3 pro societies consisting of less than 500 players playing 3 separate courses. I would venture that at least 90% of CC players will never get out of CC purgatory. It would be nice if CC could have two courses and it's own majors. As it stands right now, there's no incentive to playing CC. There's certainly nothing to look forward to outside of not qualifying for the next Playstation major/event. And I imagine this will be unpopular with the pro players, but why not combine the 3 pro societies into 1 and then divide them into tiers like CC? This would free up 2 additional societies (per console) for other ideas/tours/etc. Plenty of good stuff in here. I always preferred the old CC-Pro/CC-Am set up where there were 2 courses set up for CC with the Pro set up/course and little step up from the Am, especially as the scheduler is currently trying to set up a single course to cover 12(!) divisions of players of massively differing abilities. Majors for CC? Why ever not, would be a fantastic addition. I honestly don’t care about Master or Pro, but, going by the numbers, I think the majority of players (including those without a forum account) prefer Pro. In contrast, count me in for revising the distribution of courses! You can split the four existing societies into something like: Pro Tours, A to D, E to H, and I to L, or, if you want to leave Plat alone: Plat, Elite to B, C to G, H to L. This, in particular the first option, would also benefit the designers, as it would close the gap in number of plays between CC and Pro Tour courses. I‘m not sure if this is the right thread for all these ideas, though, as Tim initially just asked for opinions on the handicap idea. |
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Jul 6, 2022 23:36:30 GMT -5
It's possible we are getting a new game in August, so using difficulty levels, etc. for the current game shouldn't really be considered if it happens that we get a new version right as this season is ending. We would have no idea right now how to qualify things.
The tiered CC divisions at courses each week (2 or 3) is intriguing if enough people are available to set it up week to week.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Jul 7, 2022 0:55:54 GMT -5
It's possible we are getting a new game in August, so using difficulty levels, etc. for the current game shouldn't really be considered if it happens that we get a new version right as this season is ending. We would have no idea right now how to qualify things. The tiered CC divisions at courses each week (2 or 3) is intriguing if enough people are available to set it up week to week. A lot hinges on whether there is a new game on the horizon or not. The silence from HB/2K is deafening. |
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Post by bmells33 on Jul 7, 2022 13:33:46 GMT -5
So essentially we need the Master swing to return now that HB has fixed the swing mechanics. I dont care either way....pro or master. But ultimately i dont think it matters. 99 percent of the players would remain in their same level of pro or CC regardless of difficulty. |
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Post by axelvonfersen on Jul 7, 2022 14:05:51 GMT -5
So essentially we need the Master swing to return now that HB has fixed the swing mechanics. I dont care either way....pro or master. But ultimately i dont think it matters. 99 percent of the players would remain in their same level of pro or CC regardless of difficulty. It's not about that. On the master swing you could pick up shots on the field with an eagle or a birdie. Nowadays, if you shoot -10 thru R2 you're looking at double demo marks since it's a birdie fest and it's no fun that way. |
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Post by Brenelan on Jul 7, 2022 15:27:27 GMT -5
I dont care either way....pro or master. But ultimately i dont think it matters. 99 percent of the players would remain in their same level of pro or CC regardless of difficulty. It's not about that. On the master swing you could pick up shots on the field with an eagle or a birdie. Nowadays, if you shoot -10 thru R2 you're looking at double demo marks since it's a birdie fest and it's no fun that way. I guess I still don't understand this POV from anyone other than the #1 player in the TGC golf rankings. I mean, it's easier to score birdies on Pro vs. Master, but it's still hard to beat the top guys right? In a TGC tournament, we're all playing the same settings (outside of the platform variances we're all aware of). Pretty sure I'll have to play really damn good to win a flight/tourney, whether it's Master/Pro/Amateur, etc. |
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Post by axelvonfersen on Jul 7, 2022 15:43:06 GMT -5
It's not about that. On the master swing you could pick up shots on the field with an eagle or a birdie. Nowadays, if you shoot -10 thru R2 you're looking at double demo marks since it's a birdie fest and it's no fun that way. I guess I still don't understand this POV from anyone other than the #1 player in the TGC golf rankings. I mean, it's easier to score birdies on Pro vs. Master, but it's still hard to beat the top guys right? In a TGC tournament, we're all playing the same settings (outside of the platform variances we're all aware of). Pretty sure I'll have to play really damn good to win a flight/tourney, whether it's Master/Pro/Amateur, etc. Making an eagle is no accomplishment on Pro. There’s no incentive to not go driver off the deck on most holes. Whereas on master a miss was a possibility. That was fun. |
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Post by Brenelan on Jul 7, 2022 16:06:41 GMT -5
I feel like this discussion must be different among the top-end players. I've only migrated up to CC-G, so at this point an eagle is still an accomplishment. /shrug
It almost sounds like you're ascribing performance at a certain level to luck rather than skill. But I watch enough on Twitch to see that there is a performance gap between someone in the top-10 in the WGR and someone ranked say, 50th. And it's usually in consistency.
I suspect that's going to be an issue, regardless of the TGC settings. The game might be "easier" to score on using Pro settings, but a tournament is still equivalently hard to win.
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Post by axelvonfersen on Jul 8, 2022 1:53:31 GMT -5
I feel like this discussion must be different among the top-end players. I've only migrated up to CC-G, so at this point an eagle is still an accomplishment. /shrug It almost sounds like you're ascribing performance at a certain level to luck rather than skill. But I watch enough on Twitch to see that there is a performance gap between someone in the top-10 in the WGR and someone ranked say, 50th. And it's usually in consistency. I suspect that's going to be an issue, regardless of the TGC settings. The game might be "easier" to score on using Pro settings, but a tournament is still equivalently hard to win. I'd even argue that winning is more difficult now since anything less than 12 birdies per round will leave your outside of promo marks. I wasn't competing every week on Master swing and I only had 4-5 top-10 finishes last season, but on a good week I was there or thereabouts. A couple of weeks ago I ended R4 at -44 on CC-B and that was good enough for 32nd. It's just... frustrating. Knowing you'll always hit perfects is no fun, and then it just turns into a putting contest. Alternatively, if the main tours isn't going back to Master swing, then make Beer league a Master swing society. |
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Post by Mr Longpole on Jul 8, 2022 7:02:15 GMT -5
Would like to say that tgc tours is a great society and the people running it do a wonderful job but honestly doesn't really matter what difficulty it's at I personally would love it to go back to masters but perhaps it needs someone from tgc to go to 2k/hb and say come on give us a weekly wage and were produce leagues 4 each platform instead of this unfare cross platform business and then when majors are about then we use special events and make them cross platform, when 2k bring out a trailer for the new game advertise tgc tours with it I'm sure a lot more people will buy the game and 100s more will play the tours . Sorry and by the way please please get rid of the aiming marker in true sim it's not really true sim with an aiming marker, have a nice day peeps
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Post by hollywoodswingr on Jul 8, 2022 9:17:24 GMT -5
Team Play League…
Hey guys NEW to this forum. Old time has been TW golf guy
from 2004-2014. Just started playing this game and was
Wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
I’m looking for a Society/League that primarily is dedicated to
Team play. Maybe even like a Ladder Ranking System ?
Ladder system i enjoy because the value of playing better players
helps in both wins & losses.
Thank you
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